The Red Crowns: An Imperial Tale


Hey Badshah,
Many of your complaints are very valid and I'll attempt to address them and possibly make a few changes based on them.

First of all I'd like to state something I often think goes forgotten, people don't always do the logical thing. Populaces are easily scared, politicians can be greedy and some can pull their weight more than you'd expect. France is battered, bruised and the people are very, very angry. Their government has failed completely and, as has been mentioned briefly and will be elaborated upon later, there are three big agitators riling up the people. With the last government thrown out and a new one rushed in, they're not in much position to negotiate. Look at the shaky post war governments of OTL, both the early Weimar Republic and early USSR signed hugely unfair deals that angered great deals of their populace. The French have been able to keep at least half of their Empire, most of Africa and French Guyana remain in their possession as do many of their pacific islands. They know they've been beaten and beaten badly, they just want out.

Turkestan in Russia isn't perfect but something I'd like to keep. Britain wasn't able to capture that, it rose up and Britain seized a chance. The Tsar and Friends know that a civil war is coming and coming fast, they'd rather not fight the Turks, Brits, Japanese and Rebels all at the same time, it's a desperate move on their part and a cocky one on the British. Britain need to take something from the Russians, as far as both Whitehall, the British people and the world are concerned, Russia is the no.1 belligerent and they need to be punished, Turkestan is the easiest way to do this and in they eyes on many, decisively win the Great Game.

Afghanistan's compliance with the British was, once again, an act of desperation. Russia had overrun their country and was storming towards the capital. They couldn't have stopped British intervention if they wanted to and they saw that it was the only way to survive. Now that the war is over, things will be tense and remember, this is still short term, we haven't seen the relationship play out long term.

I'm sure you're far more informed on India than I, it's not my subject of expertise but this is post formation of the Indian Army isn't it? (At least in the TL it is, but I believe OTL as well). India was under direct threat of invasion and there were several months of build up (almost as long as the war itself) before fighting began, giving everyone lots of time to get prepared, angry and in position.

As for the war in Japan, it wouldn't be fair to call that a Japanese victory, the Royal Navy and later Australasian and Canadian Armies were instrumental in the Russian defeat and made up almost half of the forces involved. Primyore is something I ummed and ahhed over but in short, I needed to give the Japanese something and Primyore seemed to be that. However based on your comments about Vietnam, I might give Indochina to Japan and let the Russians keep Primyore. Would that be more probable in your eyes?

Tensions in the British Army would apply, definitely, but not in this short term. The war wasn't even four months long, it was more immediate reaction and prewar plans than anything else. The Indian Army has proven itself useful, it was used in something of an emergency and proved itself. It will be more respected among the British public and more valued among the ranks of the military, though of course: huge prejudice will remain.

Indochina was a Siamese victory as much as either of the empires, they have a large front to attack on and a large army to boot. The Vietnamese would be doubtlessly disloyal to the French and even though Anglo-Australasian-Japanese attacks would be difficult, they were far from impossible with naval dominance and Siamese support.

I've made some very quick changes in a map below, far from final that might be more to your liking? The TL will undoubtedly be something of a Brit-Wank initially but don't worry, things will start balancing out soon enough. As for my accuracy, I'll try and keep it good but you can probably consider this Medium Alternate History, plausible but improbable: I'm trying to tell a story as much as present a history.

Anyway, thanks for your interest and comments, it'll no doubt help me improve the TL! :)

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It's better, but Japanese Indochina also runs into problems, because Japan would also be in the same position as Britain in trying to ship over over administrators etc. At best, I think you'll probably see more powers given to the constituent kingdoms of Indochina that remains in the Indochina unit, and have them remain under British influence.
 
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Actually, I've thought about it. Japan will just have to be happy with what they've got, for now. We'll get a protectorate/puppet Vietnam (or Dai Vet or whatever) and this Africa border (British Internal stuff around Sudan is like to change though):
I'll make the relevant changes to the TL tomorrow but it's getting late and I'm knackered.

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Great TL... Subbed

One minor point, however, when you talk of the Russian leadership you have mentioned Moscow, should this not be St Petersburg?

Keep up the stifling work
 
The Interregnum,
The Victors, Part One:


Great Britain
When Britain went into he war, it was the World’s number 1 power, undisputed on the seas and master of the world. When it came out, it looked to fin more titles to add to that list as it didn’t quite sum up their dominance. The British were now in control of nearly two thirds of Africa, which (following the Africa Act of 1897) was divided and governed along new lines. This led to a great reshuffling of colonial control and caused a rift to form within the Orange Government. The somewhat unlikely (and undoubtedly desperate) coalition of Liberal and Fabian MPs had been a great success for a few years now. The guiding hand of Lord Mountbatten kept Orange MP’s in check and there had been rumours circulating about perhaps forming a more permanent alliance between the two parties. However, this goodwill was dashed with the death of Mountbatten. His replacement, the famous Cunninghame Graham, caused great rifts. Despite being a powerful orator and a popular man, CG was an idealist and struggled with the reality of his situation. From day one, Queen Victoria was reluctant to invite a socialist to form a government and was advised against it by many of her councillors. It was however the young Prince Albert, ever popular, who urged his grandmother to give CG the position. She complied and CG became Britain’s first Fabian Prime Minister.

His Africa act was seen as needed by many but his insistence to work with native leaders was unpopular, many conservatives and even liberals didn’t see the need to cooperate with “savages”. Nevertheless, the Bill passed and the Empire moved a little bit closer to the ImpSoc vision.

This Vision of course included ideas of racial equality, something a long way away in 1897. However, the cause would be greatly helped and given a substantial boost by the actions of the Indian Army during The Short War. At this point in time, the army gave obvious and undisguised preference to white, British soldiers and officers. Native armies were to be used sparingly and primarily against their own. When Russian invasion of India looked immanent, Britain had little choice but to deploy their Indian Army. The brave actions of these men, particularly at Punjao was undeniable and public opinion showed it. The change was slow and, in the grand scheme of things, quite minuscule. Yet, it cannot be discounted entirely; if one looks at the poetry of Rudyard Kipling. His now famous poem; The White Man’s Children contains the now famous line: “So teach the White Man's children, you now must help them grow, And as you have been grooming him, his love to you he’ll show.” The poem showed the change in public opinion: India, and by extension the Empire as a whole, was the child of Britain. They were growing up, ever so slowly, they were creeping towards recognition.

This sense of growing up would be present elsewhere, as dominion status was finally passed for the Cape Colony. In 1899 the “Cape Dominion Act” passed through the House of Lords and the “Commonwealth of The Cape” was established. Like Canada and Australasia before it, it’s government was modeled on Britain and it’s parliament was housed in Cape Town. The move prompted the Final Boer Trek and led to the citizens of Cape developing a strongly different, even deliberately contrary, culture to their Boer counterparts.

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Flag of The Commonwealth of The Cape

Canada and Australasia too had proven themselves in the war, Canadian Ships and Men had won Britain the pacific and Australian Forces were the second largest invasion force in Indochina. They were each rewarded with territory, Canada received Frances final Canadian holdings, Saint Pierre and Miquelon and Australasia more Pacific Islands. However the most important gift that each nation would receive was a Prince. In 1899 Prince George, the third in line, would have a mansion built not far outside of Vancouver, which would of course become George Palace. Similarly, Prince Arthur (who was of course George’s Uncle and Victoria’s third son) would build his own palace outside Melbourne, New Windsor Palace. Neither of the two would receive a title and no plans were yet made for any change to occur and yet, in December 1899, as the century came to a close, Prince George sent a letter to his brother, signed: “Your Dearest Brother And Friend, George, Prince of England, and of Canada, Prince, Protector and Sovereign.


Map of The British Empire, It's Dominions, Dependencies and Colonies Circa 1900
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Eh, the maps not perfect but it took a lot of doing, I might improve upon it tommorow but for now I'm being lazy.

Great TL... Subbed

One minor point, however, when you talk of the Russian leadership you have mentioned Moscow, should this not be St Petersburg?

Keep up the stifling work

Well damn, you're quite right about St Petersberg and I'll make changes accordingly.

Other than that, glad you're enjoying it! Stay tuned for more updates on the Great Powers.

Oh, and here is the map for those who can't access imgur:

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Good update, nice to see thing progressing so well... the Boer wars had started by now IOTL and some of the pressures (mainly diamonds) that caused it are still their. Will this issue be butterflied away I wonder?

Eh, the maps not perfect but it took a lot of doing, I might improve upon it tommorow but for now I'm being lazy.
They look good, so I wouldn't worry.

Well damn, you're quite right about St Petersberg and I'll make changes accordingly.
I wouldn't worry its a mistake that a lot of people make about Russia, were just so used to Moscow being the capital. It seems that civil war looms in Russia, I wonder if one side will proclaim Moscow the 'true' capital anyway :D

Other than that, glad you're enjoying it! Stay tuned for more updates on the Great Powers.
Please... the only thing that can make this TL better is more updates ;)
 
Martial victories are all well and good, but the biggest issue facing Britain right now is its outdated and lagging industry of the Empire.

Hopefully this version of Social Democracy/Imperial Socialism will be able to take a similar course to what we saw in Germany post WW2. A co-operative rather than combative relationship between labour and management could possibly keep technical education, science and investment flowing.
 
The Interregrum
The Victors, Part Two


Japan:
The Empire of Japan was barely a regional power in 1895, raised by Great Britain as a poster child and unique example of how “primitive” nations could join their counterparts in the west. The Russians had long viewed the Japanese with scorn, an annoying distraction with a big friend, nothing more. The Japanese proved every single one of these doubters wrong. The Japanese Navy proved a match for the Russian Bear at Sea and on land fared just as well. An early invasion of Korea was ill fated and after the capture of Vladivostok (with assistance from Canadian and Australasian forces), the Japanese had proven to be a powerful force on land as well. Japan made no huge territorial gains in the Short War, taking a few French Islands to add to the multitude of pacific holdings beneath the Rising Sun. More importantly however, they were able to cripple the Russian Empire to the point that it would be difficult to oppose Japanese influence in Manchuria and so, bit by bit, the Japanese began to show more interest in the region. In other spheres too they would make themselves seen, showing profound interest in the Philippines.

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A Photo of Fighting outside of Vladivostok, The Short War

In domestic spheres, the Japanese Government saw it’s success as due to two things: 1)It’s Supremacy as a Warrior People and 2) It’s adoption of British methods of Government. As far as the Japanese were concerned, Britain was the most powerful country in the world, there had to be a reason why. As such the Japanese attempted to emulate this system. The Emperor had set up a Council to draft a new constitution, headed by Ito Hirobumi, the Council observed many different constitutions and attempted to create a Japanese one out of what they found. The American Constitution was thrown out as “too liberal” whilst the French and Russians were conversely too authoritarian. There was much debate over the British system, Hirobumi initially dismissed it as too unwieldy and giving too much power to Parliament. However, as pro-British sentiment rose in the late 1890s, the idea was reconsidered. When the Empire’s Constitution was finally released in 1899 it would contain the House of Commons and the House of Councillors. Taking inspiration from both British and German systems, it seemed the perfect compromise for the Empire. As the 18th century faded away, the Sun was Rising ever higher.


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The Rising Sun Flag, A Popular Symbol of Japan
 
Tiny update toady as I am racked with Migraines at the mo' :(. Will try and be more consistent.

Anyway, hope everyone is enjoying, yada yada yada. :D
 
An interesting TL so far and I'm hoping Japan manages to avoid the path that did IOTL. Seems to be going really well for Britain at the time being but I imagine they're going to have quite a few rivals eager to take them down before too long. Hoping your health improves as well.
 
Interregnum
The Onlookers, Part 1


The United States of America
The United States was put in an interesting position by the Short War. Despite much of the rhetoric of the time, the British and American people were tightly bound by trade and culture. The war however did not paint the British in a very good light in the US. Though the Russians would take the bulk of the blame for the war, American opinion would soon turn against what was deemed “British Imperialism”. This may be surprising to many, as the British were not particularly more belligerent than the French and certainly more democratic than the Russians. Never the less, opinion did sway this anti-british sentiment only served to reinforce isolationist values within the United States. This policy of isolationism was primarily put forwards by Democratic President William J Bryan. Bryan’s election had been of no great surprise to anyone, the weak republican ticket put forwards by William McKinley and his running mate, one Theodore Roosevelt who defeated Garret Hobart to take the position of Republican no. 2. Roosevelt himself was a hugely charismatic figure, popular and inspiring to people across the nation, however many felt that he was overshadowing McKinley, including the man himself and following a public argument between the two the republican ticket collapsed. Bryan’s Presidency was fairly uneventful, signing an official treaty recognising British sovereignty over Hawaii and closely avoiding war with Spain, Bryan is often seen as a placeholder President.

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William Bryan, a Somewhat Forgettable President

Thought of course, American politics would be most marked by the rise of Wheelerite Politics. Primarily in the form of Wheelers own “Christian Purity Party”. The CPP had evolved out of the highly successful prohibition movement, which had successfully banned most alcohol within the United States. Once the 13th Amendment had passed, many Prohibitionists saw their role as complete and most groups disbanded. Not Wheeler’s however. Wheeler kept his groups together and though many would leave, what he then dubbed the “Christian Democratic Party” would retain something of a presence in several Southern and Midwestern states, though would never get anywhere near congress. On the 7th of December, 1896, Wheeler is said to have had an epiphany. In what many historians now believe was a stroke, followed by a series of hallucinations, Wheeler is said to have talked to God himself, who made it clear to Wheeler what he wanted.
Wheeler travelled to Times Square in New York City and, whilst hosting the first Rally for the CPP made his now famous “Grapes of Wrath Speech.”


The First Few Paragraphs of the Speech

“My Brothers and Sisters, My Comrades, My Flock. We stand upon the verge of a New World, the United States has always been a nation of the faith, exiled from a land we once loved, and the good Christians of America would break with from the heathen shackles in London and create a land of God. But we have strayed from the path my Brothers and Sisters, Strayed from the path of light, the path of the lord! The Lord God in His Almighty Wisdom has convened with me. Do not doubt me, fair people, do not think me a liar or a fool for I have truly seen the light!
The Lord Came down and he said, ‘Wayne my child, it is I the Lord.’
And I said ‘Yes Lord! I know it is you, please share with me your will!”
‘You live in a great land Wayne,’ The Lord said to me, ‘You live in the Kingdom of God.”
So I said ‘Yes Lord, I know this to be true.’
But the Lord said ‘Wayne, The Kingdom is corrupted!’
So I said ‘But Lord, are we not serving your will?’
And the Lord told me of the corruption, of the filth that sweeps through our nation. We have become infested with nonbelievers, with Profligates! Whether they be the misguided Israelites or the Pagan Faiths of the East, we are overrun by heathenry. Whatever Church it is that you follow, brothers and sisters, know that it is true. The Lord has said to me that all servants of his kingdom and his son are welcome in the Land of God, whether you be a good Lutheran, a just Papist or even a true man of Orthodoxy the Lord will embrace you.
So now brothers and sisters we must move against those who have corrupted our land, we must take in the harvest and we must stamp out our vintage. For the Lord has planted the Grapes of Wrath, we must unleash the fury of the Lord to reclaim his Kingdom and purify it, so that we may dwell among the angels.”


The speech found renown across the globe, a mix of condemnation and praise. Many American conservatives found solace in the speech and in the ideals presented, yes America was a land of God, and shouldn’t it remain that way? Many Democrats particularly in the South, hailed the speech as not only truth but as an example to follow. Wheeler was invited to run for the party multiple times but always turned the offers down, standing firm by his own party and his own views. In Britain and Germany, some praised the speech but it was widely seen as silly and somewhat overdramatic. However, in more fragile lands it would find an audience. Some Conservatives in France and many in Russia took great inspiration from the speech; they had not failed in their war because of the supremacy of the British or the failures of their own people but because of the corruption of heathens. Most notably, the speech would receive praise from the Pope himself, who praised Wheeler’s “Loyalty to the Lord and compassion towards his fellow Christians.”
Things were changing in the United States, that much was obvious.


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Wayne Wheeler, America's Most Infamous Politician
 
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An interesting TL so far and I'm hoping Japan manages to avoid the path that did IOTL. Seems to be going really well for Britain at the time being but I imagine they're going to have quite a few rivals eager to take them down before too long. Hoping your health improves as well.

Yeah, Japan are a very interesting country, lots of paths for them to walk down...

And cheers, its very up an down but I'm on the mend.
 
I feel incredibly disappointed that the governor general of Canada of all places in OTL is now in residence in Australia whislt OTL George V is a Canadian. :mad:

disappointed that us Aussies did not get George. But pleased that Melbourne is where the Palace is being built.;):D

Suck it Sydney and Canberra.:p
 
New religious war maybe?

I was thinking that it would more about internal policies "Purging this good nation of infidels" and propaganda/justification " it is every good christian's duty to spread the good word amongst uncivilised savages" Or perhaps use it as an excuse to invade/massacre and/or subjugate non-christians, but it would most likely end politically charged in the case of any potential "Modern Crusade"
 
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