An Alternate Alternate History
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The New York primary would claim two candidates. Dick Gephardt, who came in fourth, in the single digits, dropped out and gave up his delegates to whoever the numerical leader would be. Third place would also drop out – Dukakis. The inability to carry a large northeastern state so close to the make-up of Massachusetts was heartbreaking to the campaign. They had no vision of a way forward. Pennsylvania and Ohio were the two major upcoming competitions. Both states were heavy blue-collar states, a demographic that Dukakis was failing to reach in virtually every competition, with Biden playing to their roots and Jackson syphoning off minorities and the more liberal primary voters. Dukakis as well said he would pledge his delegates to the leader at the end of the primaries. Joe Biden would win New York, finally cementing his leader status. With the Empire State under his belt, and the delegates from Gore and Dukakis effectively pledged to him, the public at large accepted Biden as the Democratic candidate.
However, nobody told that to Reverend Jackson.
Jesse Jackson was not a typical presidential candidate. He never held elective office, for starters. In 1988, he was arguably the most visible living icon of civil rights. And he acted like it. Even after Biden’s comfortable win in New York, Jackson refused to publically bow out. He was no political neophyte, though. Jackson read the tea leaves after New York. A private hour-long meeting was held amongst friends the following day with Jackson, Biden and Governor Mario Cuomo, familiar with both candidates. All three stood on the same stage as Cuomo said he endorsed Biden, reflecting the will of his state. Some in the press wondered, mostly privately, almost grudgingly, why they could not be covering Governor Cuomo’s presidential campaign? Maybe in ’92, or ’96…
Jackson continued to campaign until the very last state, winning just one contest in the final fourteen (Washington, D.C.), saying he would not bow out; even at the convention he would not release his delegates. He represented a constituency and their voice (read: his) would be heard. While all the other contenders spoke of party unity and fell in line behind Senator Biden, Jackson was still campaigning, arguing for the issues. There was no personal animosity between Jackson and Biden; their final debates were very cordial, with Biden elbowing his competitor, asking if he was interested in the Vice Presidency. These good-humored comments likely did not help in the next couple months, while rumors swirled about who would be the Vice Presidential nominees.
After his lock as the presidential candidate, Biden was criticized by his own Roman Catholic Diocese of Wilmington Bishop Robert Edward Mulvee over his stance on abortion, which goes against the church's pro-life beliefs and teachings. The diocese confirmed that even if elected president, Biden would not be allowed to speak at Catholic schools. Biden was soon barred from receiving Holy Communion by the bishop of his original hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania, because of his support for abortion rights; however, Biden did continue to receive Communion at his local Delaware parish. Biden said he believed that life began at conception but that he would not impose his personal religious views on others.
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PK – “In 1985, you spoke at Notre Dame about the separation of faith and politics. As a Catholic you walked a fine line that Biden and others had to face after that speech, mostly on the topic of abortion.”
MC – “I said it then and I think it still holds true that there is a troubling mix of religion and politics. And it pollutes both spheres. The simplest way to convey the message I spoke of that day is “You don’t push your religion through politics because tomorrow somebody else could do the same to you. It is just one of the problems that still persist to this day.”
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The New York primary would claim two candidates. Dick Gephardt, who came in fourth, in the single digits, dropped out and gave up his delegates to whoever the numerical leader would be. Third place would also drop out – Dukakis. The inability to carry a large northeastern state so close to the make-up of Massachusetts was heartbreaking to the campaign. They had no vision of a way forward. Pennsylvania and Ohio were the two major upcoming competitions. Both states were heavy blue-collar states, a demographic that Dukakis was failing to reach in virtually every competition, with Biden playing to their roots and Jackson syphoning off minorities and the more liberal primary voters. Dukakis as well said he would pledge his delegates to the leader at the end of the primaries. Joe Biden would win New York, finally cementing his leader status. With the Empire State under his belt, and the delegates from Gore and Dukakis effectively pledged to him, the public at large accepted Biden as the Democratic candidate.
However, nobody told that to Reverend Jackson.
Jesse Jackson was not a typical presidential candidate. He never held elective office, for starters. In 1988, he was arguably the most visible living icon of civil rights. And he acted like it. Even after Biden’s comfortable win in New York, Jackson refused to publically bow out. He was no political neophyte, though. Jackson read the tea leaves after New York. A private hour-long meeting was held amongst friends the following day with Jackson, Biden and Governor Mario Cuomo, familiar with both candidates. All three stood on the same stage as Cuomo said he endorsed Biden, reflecting the will of his state. Some in the press wondered, mostly privately, almost grudgingly, why they could not be covering Governor Cuomo’s presidential campaign? Maybe in ’92, or ’96…
Jackson continued to campaign until the very last state, winning just one contest in the final fourteen (Washington, D.C.), saying he would not bow out; even at the convention he would not release his delegates. He represented a constituency and their voice (read: his) would be heard. While all the other contenders spoke of party unity and fell in line behind Senator Biden, Jackson was still campaigning, arguing for the issues. There was no personal animosity between Jackson and Biden; their final debates were very cordial, with Biden elbowing his competitor, asking if he was interested in the Vice Presidency. These good-humored comments likely did not help in the next couple months, while rumors swirled about who would be the Vice Presidential nominees.
After his lock as the presidential candidate, Biden was criticized by his own Roman Catholic Diocese of Wilmington Bishop Robert Edward Mulvee over his stance on abortion, which goes against the church's pro-life beliefs and teachings. The diocese confirmed that even if elected president, Biden would not be allowed to speak at Catholic schools. Biden was soon barred from receiving Holy Communion by the bishop of his original hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania, because of his support for abortion rights; however, Biden did continue to receive Communion at his local Delaware parish. Biden said he believed that life began at conception but that he would not impose his personal religious views on others.
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PK – “In 1985, you spoke at Notre Dame about the separation of faith and politics. As a Catholic you walked a fine line that Biden and others had to face after that speech, mostly on the topic of abortion.”
MC – “I said it then and I think it still holds true that there is a troubling mix of religion and politics. And it pollutes both spheres. The simplest way to convey the message I spoke of that day is “You don’t push your religion through politics because tomorrow somebody else could do the same to you. It is just one of the problems that still persist to this day.”
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Thread: “Anyone but Biden”
ConchRepublican said:As it says on the tin, who else could be the Democratic candidate in 1988? The obvious ones are those who ran, probably Gephardt or Dukakis, maybe Gore or Simon could get lucky?Emperor_in_Chief said:Simon won Iowa IOTL and still couldn’t win. He was a niche/issues candidate that only really got noticed and was never taken seriously because of his bowtie. It’d have to be Gephardt, he was the only one who could tap into the same demographics as Biden did. Gore could try but he is too new and young, was a lightweight then.ToryMounty said:It is a shame that Cuomo didn’t run… he would’ve edged out boring Dukakis and just ran circles around Bush. Dukakis could’ve taken it with better staff. I don’t know why he fired Sasso.ConchRepublican said:Maybe a good POD for a Dukakis win is that Biden slips up when speaking, doesn’t quote Kinock (sic) or something like that? I don’t know how Dukakis does better than Gephardt still. Dukakis and Jackson are still going after the same people sorta…InstantPudding said:So Cuomo has it in the bag if he runs? Who is his VP?
ToryMounty said:Well he could pick Biden as an insider and maybe to unite the party, but with so many candidates running picking one over the others seems a little petty. My bet is he goes for a Washington outsider like himself, another Governor. That way they can run an ‘anti-beltway’ campaign against the total insider Bush. Bill Clinton seems a good choice, he was Governor at the time, although his boring ’88 speech would likely still happen, except this time as VP.ConchRepublican said:I doubt he’d get picked, too many questions would be floated during the vetting process. You might get a Gary Hart 2.0 problem. With Cuomo as the beltway outsider, why not go to Washington? Biden would’ve been a great VP.InstantPudding said:So we get this list in the White House:InstantPudding said:1989 – 1997: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden
1997 – 2001: Joe Biden/Russ Feingold
2001 – 2005: John McCain/John Ashcroft
2005 – 2013: Hillary Rodham Clinton/Howard Dean
2013 – Present: Chuck Hagel/Rick SantorumEmperor_in_Chief said:This list again… you know not all economic crashes are set in stone? Sorry to divert from the OQ, but is there any way Bush could win? I don’t see one.ToryMounty said:You are forgetting how badly his VP choice hurt him. A different pick against a different Dem candidate could’ve helped.
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