No Negroes
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Michael E Johnson said:
Europeans may have brutalized and enslaved the the African people, but they were not kidnapped by Europeans. They were kidnapped and sold into slavery by their own people. Without the backing of fellow Africans, the slave trade would never have happened. Europeans had an ugly habit of dying in the interior of Africa.
Michael E Johnson said:
Actually, no. You probably, lacking the slave trade, would have seen an increase in indentured servitude rather than the enslavement of the Indians. The Indians made horrible slaves as they had the nasty habit of dying when they are around (sick) white people.
If African slaves, for whatever reason. were not so visibly different to European settlers would the nature of slavery in the US and the Carribean have been different?
Grey Wolf said:
It is bollocks. In the Noah story, Ham made fun of his father Noah when the latter got wasted and was lying around naked. His two brother, Shem and Japeth, were more respectful and covered him up (in such a way to avoid looking at him). When Noah woke up (and I assume he was hungover and rather embarassed), he cursed Ham's son Canaan to be the slave of his other two sons. Ham later has sons named "Egypt" and "Kush," so he was viewed as the forefather of the African nations.
The association of the Curse of Ham with black skin and Africa was basically a theologically-weak justification for slavery.
Do I detect racism?
I would say that a continued Roman Empire would lead to this--mixed-race marriages would become very common, until everyone would be blended well and good and it would be practically impossible to determine racial origin, since everyone would be basically one race.
I would say that a continued Roman Empire would lead to this--mixed-race marriages would become very common, until everyone would be blended well and good and it would be practically impossible to determine racial origin, since everyone would be basically one race.
A more dominant Ummayyad Caliphate would also do the trick, as the Koran is explicitly anti-racist ("all men are the same as the teeth on a comb" or something to that effect).
Well...Matt Quinn said:
It was the Arabs who basicly invented the black slave trade.
Leo Caesius
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Not true. The trans-saharan slave trade had been in operation since classical times or possibly even before. The Arabs merely picked up where their predecessors had left off.DominusNovus said:
Nonny said:
This is nonsense. All the theory of evolution has to say about race is that people who live in different areas adapt to their environment, hence people who live in equatorial regions have darker skin than people who live near the poles, etc. I fail to see how that's racist.
Most scientists regard race as a social construct. Race is biologically meaningless - you can demonstrate familial-like relationships between large groups of people, genetically, but that's about it. Most people are mongrels - and have been for millenia.
Would the verb "perfected" fit better? Augmented? Expanded?htgriffin said:
Regardless, they increased it alot, to the best of my knowledge.
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AFAIK, the trans-saharan slave trade kept the same brisk pace (subject, of course, to the availability of supply and demand) from Classical Antiquity onwards, until the Europeans found a way to circumvent it.DominusNovus said: