Map Thread XXII

[KolyenuKS]

• Is the Societist Republic of Nysuomi visible on the map, and why did an English-speaking ethnicity adopt "New Finnish" as their moniker?
• The "Canadian citizens being able to vote in NALian elections" part doesn't seem to make sense - why would the NAL be involved in a joint citizenship deal between Canada and Nysuomi? I'm missing something about the geography here. Is Nysuomi some sort of jointly-ruled condominium between the NAL and Canada?
• How are relations between Astoria and Canada, and the NAL and Canada? Your previous answer imply that the latter is cordial, considering the voting rights agreement - is Societism less revolutionary and expansionistic than OTL Marxism?
• What caused the Achaean-American War? How did the Achaeans came to be, and why do they oppose the RPN?
• Forgot to ask - what language, ethnicity and form of government does alt-Florida have? How are relations between them and the NAL?

- Nysuomi is a state of the NAL, its the northernmost one in minnesota; it was originally settled by majority Finnish, Sami, and Old Swedes (swedes from sweden, as opposed to Christiana), and so Nysuomi was chosen.
- see above
- Astoria and Canada are.. well, not allies, but they both agree to not interfere in any of the other's internal affairs, especially after the British Revolution.; the NAL and Canada have been allies for a while, with the NAL even funding the Canadian Revolution.; Societism, due to no French Revolution, is more focused on infiltration and the ballot than revolution (although they still fully support revolutions), and its more religious than otl. think a mix of syndicalism, democratic socialism, and christian utopianism rather than strict marxism.
- the Influx of Montanans led to quite a few shooting incidents, and one of them involved an Achaean citizen (at least, that was the casus belli); the Achaeans came along because the leader of the RPN at the time was a massive Hellenophile and was getting annoyed by both sides of the war being called American (which, fair), they didnt oppose the RPN, they just saw their predecessor as less useful a government.
- Florida has 4 official languages: English, Cuban (a creole of English, Cajun French, Spanish, and Portuguese that's a lingua franca in most of the Caribbean), Spanish, and Muscogee, representing the 4 main ethnic groups of Anglo-Achaean (mainly in the north), Cuban (mainly in the South), Spanish (mainly in the central east), and Seminole (mainly in the southwest and central west), it's a unicameral parliamentary republic, with no official head of state.; NAL and Florida fought together in the American Revolution, although Florida disagreed with Benny boy's whole dictator shtick, and so didn't join the union. They were officially recognized as independent under Benny's successor, Isaac Rosenvelt, and now Florida has a mutual defense agreement with the NAL, and their citizens can vote in national elections (along with the citizens of Diné, Maine, Mi'kmaq, Aotearoa, and all of the nations of the Pacific Islands Alliance)

 

[iori]

The below is an OTL map of the Names of the Legislative Bodies of the world.

NOTES:
1. Classification is based on the actual name (ex. Parliament, Parlimentul) or what it's officially translated as.
2. The exception to this is Majlis; multiple countries that use this will translate it into English as different things, however given its universality in Arabic and some other languages I have put it as its own category.
3. The categories are based on the core term, so places with legislatures called People's Congress, Grand National Congress or Federal Congress would all be under the category of 'Congress'.
4. The Sui Generis countries are such for one of three reasons; 1. They have a unique English language name (ex. Diet), 2. While they may have an English language translation name they are more commonly known by their native language name (ex. Verkhovna Rada) or they use their native name as their English language name as well (ex. Alþingi).

 

[Gokbay]

2. The exception to this is Majlis; multiple countries that use this will translate it into English as different things, however given its universality in Arabic and some other languages I have put it as its own category.

Turkey (and TRNC) have a Meclis, so should probably fall under Majlis category.

4. The Sui Generis countries are such for one of three reasons; 1. They have a unique English language name (ex. Diet), 2. While they may have an English language translation name they are more commonly known by their native language name (ex. Verkhovna Rada) or they use their native name as their English language name as well (ex. Alþingi).

You put the Polish Sejm as Parliament, might have well put the Lithuanian Seimas and Latvian Saeima there as well. Edit: I take that back actually. The difference here is that the latter two are unicameral while the Polish Parliament is bicameral and Sejm is only the lower house, while the whole body of the both houses is referred to as Parliament.

(Ukraine getting Sui Generis while Slovakia which also uses Rada gets council also seems unfair.)

Perhaps the tag/dag (maybe unite them with Japan under diet) or ting (maybe under assembly) could have been categories of their own (speaking of which, you seem to have overlooked Løgting of Faroe Islands in the Sui Generis category as well as the Lagting of Aland, since you included Greenland, Man and Channel Islands) (also the official Swedish name for the Finnish Parliament is Riksdag).

 

[Višeslav]

The below is an OTL map of the Names of the Legislative Bodies of the world.

NOTES:
1. Classification is based on the actual name (ex. Parliament, Parlimentul) or what it's officially translated as.
2. The exception to this is Majlis; multiple countries that use this will translate it into English as different things, however given its universality in Arabic and some other languages I have put it as its own category.
3. The categories are based on the core term, so places with legislatures called People's Congress, Grand National Congress or Federal Congress would all be under the category of 'Congress'.
4. The Sui Generis countries are such for one of three reasons; 1. They have a unique English language name (ex. Diet), 2. While they may have an English language translation name they are more commonly known by their native language name (ex. Verkhovna Rada) or they use their native name as their English language name as well (ex. Alþingi).


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Fascinating stuff.

This map reminds me though, it's very interesting what we do and don't show on "de facto" maps. Like you show the Russian annexed lands in Ukraine, the Russian-backed separatists in Georgia, kosovo, the "sand wall" border in Western Sahara, and Iraqi Kurdistan, but not Rojava/AANES, which de facto functions independently, whereas Iraqi Kurdistan is both de facto and de jure an autonomous region of Iraq. Not sure if Pridnestrovie is shown.

This is not me throwing shade at the map, just wonder by what standards, if any, people are choosing what de facto borders to show and which not to show. Also the kosovo, Russia-Ukraine, Kashmir, and India-China borders ought to have the red disputed colour, no?

 

[Codae]

You put the Polish Sejm as Parliament, might have well put the Lithuanian Seimas and Latvian Saeima there as well.

(Ukraine getting Sui Generis while Slovakia which also uses Rada gets council also seems unfair.)

Unfair, perhaps, but an accurate reflection of English-language usage (compare 1, 2).

 

[iori]

Turkey (and TRNC) have a Meclis, so should probably fall under Majlis category.

I considered it, however I think the linguistic evolution has made them separate.

You put the Polish Sejm as Parliament, might have well put the Lithuanian Seimas and Latvian Saeima there as well.

The Sejm is only the lower house, the legislature as a whole is the Parlament Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.

(Ukraine getting Sui Generis while Slovakia which also uses Rada gets council also seems unfair.)

The difference being Slovakia uses an actual official translation in English while Ukraine does not, it's like how the Folketing could be translated as People's Assembly, but is not known as that; I did consider adding a Rada category but ultimately decided against it as it would lead to to many native language names.

Perhaps the tag/dag (maybe unite them with Japan under diet) or ting (maybe under assembly) could have been categories of their own (speaking of which, you seem to have overlooked Løgting of Faroe Islands in the Sui Generis category as well as the Lagting of Aland, since you included Greenland, Man and Channel Islands) (also the official Swedish name for the Finnish Parliament is Riksdag).

I wasn't including all autonomous areas rather only polities that are close to being independent or are treated as de facto independent.

 

[iori]

Fascinating stuff.

This map reminds me though, it's very interesting what we do and don't show on "de facto" maps. Like you show the Russian annexed lands in Ukraine, the Russian-backed separatists in Georgia, kosovo, the "sand wall" border in Western Sahara, and Iraqi Kurdistan, but not Rojava/AANES, which de facto functions independently, whereas Iraqi Kurdistan is both de facto and de jure an autonomous region of Iraq. Not sure if Pridnestrovie is shown.

This is not me throwing shade at the map, just wonder by what standards, if any, people are choosing what de facto borders to show and which not to show. Also the kosovo, Russia-Ukraine, Kashmir, and India-China borders ought to have the red disputed colour, no?

Generally speaking my maps show the de facto situation, though in some maps, like this one, I simplify things; I am purposefully not including any of the non-government factions in the various civil wars happening.

Transnistria is shown yes.

While I'm not sure what other color systems do, I only utilize the red border for unrecognized de facto independent polities.
Kosovo does not have a red border as it's recognized by 99 countries, including most of the world powers.
The Russo-Ukrainian border would be shown in a more detailed manner on one of my normal world maps, however for this kind of map I don't include claim lines.

 

[DracoLazarus]

The below is an OTL map of the Names of the Legislative Bodies of the world.

NOTES:
1. Classification is based on the actual name (ex. Parliament, Parlimentul) or what it's officially translated as.
2. The exception to this is Majlis; multiple countries that use this will translate it into English as different things, however given its universality in Arabic and some other languages I have put it as its own category.
3. The categories are based on the core term, so places with legislatures called People's Congress, Grand National Congress or Federal Congress would all be under the category of 'Congress'.
4. The Sui Generis countries are such for one of three reasons; 1. They have a unique English language name (ex. Diet), 2. While they may have an English language translation name they are more commonly known by their native language name (ex. Verkhovna Rada) or they use their native name as their English language name as well (ex. Alþingi).

Hmmmm... What did you use for bicameral systems like the US or France ?
Because IIRC Congress refers to the House of Representatives, while for France it means both chambers, with the more important lower chamber being the Assemblée Nationale / National Assembly

 

[Gokbay]

Because IIRC Congress refers to the House of Representatives

No, US Congress is both the Senate and the House.

 

[iori]

Hmmmm... What did you use for bicameral systems like the US or France ?
Because IIRC Congress refers to the House of Representatives, while for France it means both chambers, with the more important lower chamber being the Assemblée Nationale / National Assembly

The term Congress refers to the collective Senate and House in the U.S..
In cases of bicameral legislatures I used the actual name used to refer to them collectively; the only bicameral legislature that doesn't have a name for both chambers collectively is Germany.

 

[Višeslav]

While I'm not sure what other color systems do, I only utilize the red border for unrecognized de facto independent polities.
Kosovo does not have a red border as it's recognized by 99 countries, including most of the world powers.
The Russo-Ukrainian border would be shown in a more detailed manner on one of my normal world maps, however for this mind of map I don't include claim lines.

As I understand, the red line indicates any disputed border, no? Was that not the convention? Within your system, how many countries have to recognize a border before it turns black? Russia, Venezuela, Syria, Transnistria, and Nicaragua recognizing South Ossetia isnt enough, so what is the line? 50% of the UN? If its based on world powers, what counts as a world power? UNSC permanent members? Globally influential states? If its the first then kosovo does have a slim majority 3:2, for example, so that standard would make sense IG, if its the second option, who counts as globally influential/a world power? If you count Germany, do you count India? If you count Australia, do you count Iran? Are Brazil and Argentina global powers? Canada? If you go with the latter, its near impossible to have a solid definition. Certainly easy for most entities, since they tend to either very clearly be recognized by almost all of earth or by next to nobody, so you dont really have to worry about who is and is not a world power when the majority is so overwhemlming, but specifically kosovo becomes a pain because it is a fairly even split, so whether you include disputably global powers like Canada, Saudi, Brazil, and Australia really does determine whether you get a majority.

Regarding Russia-Ukraine, me personally I would make it a red line, without claim lines, just indicating that its a border practically noone recognizes.

But IG there is no ideal system for depicting these things on maps anyway, so again, this isnt an attack, more just thinking aloud and interest in how you make what decisions.

 

[Monter]

Generally speaking the borders of Tibet in those situations are based on the borders of recent history (the last two centuries) and where a Tibetans actually live, it just random land grabs.

Most of it are lands of the medieval Tibetan Empire, althought with exagerated borders (Tibet never extended much beyond the Himalayas in India, with the exception of Bengal).

 

[iori]

As I understand, the red line indicates any disputed border, no? Was that not the convention?

There's never been a single convention for doing stuff like this, some people do that, others don't.

Within your system, how many countries have to recognize a border before it turns black?
Russia, Venezuela, Syria, Transnistria, and Nicaragua recognizing South Ossetia isnt enough, so what is the line? 50% of the UN?

I've never established a concrete number, I generally go by a case by case basis.

If its based on world powers, what counts as a world power? UNSC permanent members? Globally influential states?
...

The United States, Japan, Germany, UK, India, China and France are what I consider the world powers.

But IG there is no ideal system for depicting these things on maps anyway, so again, this isnt an attack, more just thinking aloud and interest in how you make what decisions.

Don't worry, I didn't take it as an attack.
I do have an infographic somewhere showing the GCS, the system I use, that I'll try and find later.

Though in this case I'll add that if it were a case of just an occupation the international borders would be shown with a specific coloring denoting the occupied areas, however as Russia officially (though rightly not accepted by the rest of the world) annexed the territory it controls the state border is shown, as I noted earlier on other maps I'd be including the full border situation to show all of this, this just happens to be one of the few maps that is simplified.

 

[PobreCesar]

As I understand, the red line indicates any disputed border, no?

I generally just show the more widely recognized border with a black [17 17 17] line and use red lines for the borders of revolts or invasion forces. I handle claims with lines in the colour of the country in question. But that's just a personal method and I'm not always very consistent.

 

[Eastern Mushroom Kingdom]

FRANCO-PRUSSIAN WAR/FRANZÖSISCH-PREUSSISCHER KRIEG/FRANSÉISCH-PRUSSIAN KRIG/FRANS-PRUSSISCHE OORLOG/GUERRA FRANCO-PRUSIA/GUERRE FRANCO-PRUSSE
Franco-German Relations had always been rather tense. France dearly wanted the Rhine Territories, and was starting to greatly push for them. France decided the best way was to invade Luxemburg and crush Germany if they joined. So when France demanded Luxemburg be annexed, both North Germany and the Netherlands promised they would back Luxembourg. So France decided to Pre-emptively invade the German-Influenced Baden. And so began the Franco-Prussian War. At first, France saw victories as they steamrolled Baden, but the tide turned heavily after the Battle of Hüfingen, where they saw defeat after defeat as the Germans practically walked into Paris. During this humiliation, Spain occupied and annexed French Catalonia, to stop French-backed Catalan revolts. Italy also revoked the French Power Zone in Piedmont, citing that they were not a deserving Great Power. The Franco-Prussian is the most embittering war in France's history to this day...
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1862 PARTITION OF POLAND/1862 TEILUNG POLENS/1862 РАЗДЕЛ ПОЛЬШИ/ROZBIÓR POLSKI 1862
The most affected nation by the Franco-Prussian War turned out not to be anyone who participated. As the French Republic collapsed into a civil war, Poland found itself isolated aside from Austria, who was slipping off Great Power status at the moment. So when Germany and Russia signed an agreement to split Poland, Austria saw the writing on the wall and abandoned their alliance with Poland, and actually signed the Partition Agreement as well. Poland-Lithuania called out for help, but no one wanted to fight both Russia and Germany over a buffer state. The Commonwealth's only allies had either collapsed or betrayed them, and the surrendered to the agreements with some autonomy concessions (which would be eventually disregarded). The German Part would be converted into a series of Vassal Kingdoms loyal to Germany, Russia would annex them outright, and Austria-Hungary would give its part to the Austrian Crown with high autonomy.

 

[Višeslav]

I've never established a concrete number, I generally go by a case by case basis.

Fair enough

The United States, Japan, Germany, UK, India, China and France are what I consider the world powers.

Japan but not Russia? Certainly not how Id arrange it but to each their own. Including Japan makes sense, big economic influence, but still, Russia may not be a superpower but it easily is at least equal to Japan and Germany in global influence IMO. Hmmm.

Don't worry, I didn't take it as an attack.

Good good.

I do have an infographic somewhere showing the GCS, the system I use, that I'll try and find later.

Okok.

Though in this case I'll add that if it were a case of just an occupation the international borders would be shown with a specific coloring denoting the occupied areas, however as Russia officially (though rightly not accepted by the rest of the world) annexed the territory it controls the state border is shown, as I noted earlier on other maps I'd be including the full border situation to show all of this, this just happens to be one of the few maps that is simplified.

mmm

 

[Aenea Clivana]

No lore. Just a map I made for a nation in my fantasy world. Imgur ruined the quality, but I suppose that's what I get for uploading an 8k x 8k pixel map.

 

[dokidokiboy]

Here's one of my new favourite maps from r/imaginarymaps. It shows a world where NATO decided to roll with Gunther Fehlinger's "divide and conquer" attitude towards the West's enemies. Credit goes to u/notreallydavid.

 

[vgh...]

Here's one of my new favourite maps from r/imaginarymaps. It shows a world where NATO decided to roll with Gunther Fehlinger's "divide and conquer" attitude towards the West's enemies. Credit goes to u/notreallydavid.

I got a hernia and died when I saw that Khalistan

 

[OcDeElot]

Here's one of my new favourite maps from r/imaginarymaps. It shows a world where NATO decided to roll with Gunther Fehlinger's "divide and conquer" attitude towards the West's enemies. Credit goes to u/notreallydavid.

Maybe I can quite understand logic behind Lebanon and Myanmar, but since when India and Brazil become "West's enemies"? I thought they were one of the biggest US-NATO allies in the southern hemisphere!