I mostly meant that it hasn't been completely balkanized yet due to the armistice holding off on further violence, so I'm curious to see if there'll be a real peace or not.
The Fire Never Dies, Part II: The Red Colossus
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Nice to see another chapter and that the story's continuing. China is effectively united though and the Qing probably aren't going to last long though I guess a consequence would be them cozying up to Japan which could have interesting effects down the line. The fact that the book being referecned is called the Chinese Phoenix would seem to indicate that the new dynasty has some measure of success.
I admit that I’m not familiar with the exact details, but wouldn’t Manchuria at this time already be dominated demographically by Han Chinese people? Trying to incite Manchu nationalism seems like just the sort of thing that causes your overwhelmingly Han Chinese population to overthrow you in favor of the ethnically Han Chinese dynasty right to the south - particularly when that dynasty is both much more powerful and not a puppet to a predatory overlord.
Edit: also, didn’t the century of humiliation really sour ethnic Hans on being controlled by a Manchu dynasty? Emphasizing that heritage even more wouldn’t be receive well, I suspect.
Maybe by Manchu nationalism it's mean to build a new Manchurian identity from the people present in the region. I mean given that they have Beijing which is in the Han heartland they can't go too deep down Manchu ethnic dominance even if they wanted to.
Maybe, but that also seems like a very bad idea. I just looked up when Han people started moving in in large numbers and it was during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. That’s not exactly a lot of history to work with when it comes to building a distinct Manchu identity.
Well they could reference things from the distant past like the Jin dynasty and such.
So marginally saner Japanese leadership can make something resembling the co-prosperity sphere a reality on the maritime front
Not anytime soon. There will eventually be an entry discussing religion in the ASU, but I'm going to wait until at least the late 1920s to handle that. Short version, it's mostly where things were in 1917 except that there are fewer Mormons and Southern Baptists and more Catholics. There are also more Americans being openly atheistic.
So, who is the Prime Minister of the Xinhai Dynasty, then? I assume their flag is this, then:
Good point. I might drop that line.
Yep, that's their flag. Haven't figured out who's PM yet. Not sure I will - this is likely to be our last check in with China for a while. One of the grim realities of writing alternate history is that as the butterflies flap their wings, you have to keep track of more and more changes. We still have a LOT to check in with just to get a proper sense of the world after WW1. Here's a non-exhaustive list of what I need to cover:So, who is the Prime Minister of the Xinhai Dynasty, then? I assume their flag is this, then:
- The outcome of the Austrian crisis (probably two chapters)
- Italy dealing with the Bienno Rosso and the Farce on Rome
- Germany figuring out the new normal
- Falangism emerging in Spain
- Early signs of authoritarianism in France and Britain
- Russia after a White victory in the Civil War
- WTF is up with the Middle East
- How the other nations of Latin America adjust to the existence of the American Socialist Union
And all of that is ignoring whatever happens back in the ASU.
Note, before he develop Fascism (different from Nazism), Mussolini was a Socialist actually.
Yeah but by 1922 he was already leading the blackshirts and demanding the prime minister abdicate to him. The point at which muaaolini is a red is long in the past.of the timeline... Probably.
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Then again, as I mentioned before, it could be D'Annunzio leading all this as he did fascism before fascism.
He's still a red ITTL.
It'll be D'Annunzio, plus a certain Italian general...