Great work! Will Bess wear black ala victoria while still maintaining a firm grip in power?
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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If Sebastian dies young and childless like IOTL then I can see Henry X skipped in succession in favor of his youngest brother Ferdinand.
I suppose. She doesn't strike me as the sort to hide away for years...
That could work
Personally, even if I am a supporter of the imperial marriage for Mary ( particularly if she marries Charles V ), I still find the match with James V very interesting, for three reasons : the first is that it distances the Stuarts definitively from the French orbit ( since Paris did not will no longer be able to treat them as simple " vassals ", furthermore the possession of Calais and the acquisition of an additional throne will increase a feeling of political independence and competition between the next Stuart sovereigns and Valois / Bourbon Kings , just see in Otl, where it happened almost the same process ) the second reason is almost a reference to the situation of the Catholic monarchs ( but in a British style ) finally this allows London to have greater weight in the papal curia, given that the future sovereign will have both English and Scottish cardinals ( therefore a number equal to or greater than 5 cardinals ), therefore it would be more capable of asserting itself/listening to itself in Rome, compared to Otl
of course I'm not forgetting that such a marriage can facilitate the political union of the two Kingdoms, in particular given the religious uniformity unlike what happened historically
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Since you asked so nicely
- Edward IV, King of England and France (b. 1442, d. 1488) m. Elizabeth Woodville (b. 1437, d. 1495)
- Elizabeth of England, Princess of England (b. 1466, d. 1510) m. Charles VIII, King of France (b. 1470, d. 1505)
- Cecily of England, Princess of England (b. 1469, d. 1507) m. James IV, King of Scotland (b. 1473, d. 1520)
- Edward V, King of England and France (b. 1470, d. 1525) m. Joanna of Aragon, Infanta of Spain (b. 1479, d. 1552)
- Richard, Duke of York (b. 1473, d. 1528) m. Anne of Brittany (b. 1477, d. 1515)
- Anne of England, Princess of England (b. 1475, d. 1520) m. Philip I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1478, d. 1530)
- Catherine of England, Princess of England (b. 1479, d. 1527) m. Juan, Prince of Asturias (b.1478, d. 1500)
- Bridget of York, Princess of England (b. 1480, d. 1507) Nun
Amazing work! i assume that Catherine managed to give Juan a son before his death so that Joanna is not the spanish heiress.
POD: The daughter of Juan, Prince of Asturias, survives.
Isabel II of Spain (b. 1498) m. 1515 Alfonso, Count of Ampurias [later Alfonso XII of Spain] (b. 1489)
[1] Son of João III and Isabella of Austria.
[2] Son of Francesco Sforza and Bona Sforza.
[3] Daughter of Federico II Gonzaga.
[4] Grandson of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.
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Isabel II of Spain (b. 1498) m. 1515 Alfonso, Count of Ampurias [later Alfonso XII of Spain] (b. 1489)
- Margarita of Spain (b. 1517) m. Afonso VI of Portugal (b. 1521) [1]
- Isabel of Spain (b. 1519) m. François II of France (b. 1518)
- Stillborn Son (1520)
- Juan III of Spain (b. 1523) m. Jeanne III of Navarre (b. 1528)
- Maria of Spain (b. 1525) m. Ludovico II of Milan (b. 1521) [2]
- Fernando of Spain, Viceroy of Naples (b. 1529) m. Eleonora Gonzaga (b. 1532) [3]
- Leonor of Spain (b. 1531) m. Henry X of England (b. 1527) [4]
[1] Son of João III and Isabella of Austria.
[2] Son of Francesco Sforza and Bona Sforza.
[3] Daughter of Federico II Gonzaga.
[4] Grandson of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.
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Amazing work! Loved how Juan married Jeanne! SPain finally got navarre!
I think would be better if Ludovico is either a couple of years younger or son of Massimiliano as I can not see Bona marrying Francesco II in 1515 (while she could very well marry Massimiliano in 1514)
POD: Sebastian of Portugal was born female.
Isabella I of Portugal (1554-1618) m. a) Duarte II of Portugal (1541-1576), b) Philip II of Spain (1527-1598)
1a) Maria (1570-1620)
2a) Catarina (1572-1633)
3a) Joana (1574-1654)
4a) Isabella (1576-1652)
5b) John IV of Portugal (1582-1644)
Isabella I of Portugal (1554-1618) m. a) Duarte II of Portugal (1541-1576), b) Philip II of Spain (1527-1598)
1a) Maria (1570-1620)
2a) Catarina (1572-1633)
3a) Joana (1574-1654)
4a) Isabella (1576-1652)
5b) John IV of Portugal (1582-1644)
Scenario: Margaret Tudor, Queen of England.
Henry VII, King of England (b.1457: d.1509) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1503) (a)
Henry VII, King of England (b.1457: d.1509) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1503) (a)
1a) Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1486: d.1502) m. Catherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (b.1485: d.1536) (a)
- had no issue
2a) Margaret I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1489: d.1541) m. James IV, King of Scotland (b.1473: d.1513) (a), Edmund Howard, Duke of Gloucester (b.1478: d.1539) (b)
1a) James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay (b.1507: d.1508)
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1508)
3a) Arthur Tudor, Duke of Rothesay (b.1509: d.1510)
4a) James I, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1512: d.1542) m. Madeleine, Princess of France (b.1520: d.1539) (a), Amalia of Cleves (b.1517: d.1586) (b)
1a) Margaret II, Queen of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1538)
2b) Stillborn Son (c.1541)
3b) Joan Stewart, Princess of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1542)
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1512)
6a) Alexander, Duke of Albany and York (b.1514: d.1515)
7b) Elizabeth Howard, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1516: d.1579) -physically disabled, initially considered for a convent - m. Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham (c.1523: d.1566)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1542)
2a) Elizabeth Stafford (b.1549)
8b) Stillborn Son (c.1517)
9b) Margaret Howard, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1519: d.1520)
10b) Henry Howard, Duke of York (b.1523: d.1600) m. Margaret Douglas (c.1518: d.1578) (a) -daughter of the Earl of Angus ATL-, Susan Stafford (c.1548: d.1599) (b)
1a) James Howard, Earl of Cambridge (b.1545: d.1574) m. Eleanor Neville (c.1540: d.1590)
- had no issue
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1547)
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1550)
4a) Thomas Howard, Duke of York (b.1552)
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)
6a) George Howard, Earl of Richmond (b.1557)
- had no issue by second wife
11b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1524)
12b) Catherine Howard, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1526: d.1543) m. Charles de Valois, Duke of Orleans (b.1522: d.1545) (a)
1a) Miscarriage (c.1543)
13b) John Howard, Prince of England and Ireland (b.1528: d.1528)
14b) Anne Howard, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1531: d.1564) m. Philip II, King of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a)
1a) Maria Clara, Infanta of Spain (b.1550)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1552)
3a) Joanna, Infanta of Spain (b.1555: d.1558)
4a) Philip, Infante of Spain (b.1556: d.1558)
5a) Catherine, Infanta of Spain (b.1560)
6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1562)
3a) Henry VIII, King of England (b.1491: d.1514) m. Catherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (b.1485: d.1536) (a)
1a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1510)
2a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1511: d.1511)
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1513)
4a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England (b.1492: d.1495)
5a) Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1523) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), John III, King of Portugal (b.1502: d.1557) (b)
1b) Stillborn Son (c.1520)
2b) Maria, Infanta of Portugal (b.1522)
3b) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (b.1523)
4b) Miscarriage (c.1523)
6a) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b.1499: d.1500)
7a) Katherine Tudor, Princess of England (b.1503: d.1503)
What year would be best for Bona and Francesco to marry?
And who could João III marry ITTL?
John I of Aragon had one surviving son with Martha of Armagnac:
Alfonso V (1377-1398) King of Aragon 1396, m. Catherine of France (1378-1424) [1]
1) John II (1395-1434) King of Aragon 1398, King of Sicily 1410, m. Constance of Sicily (1398-1456) [2]
2) Martha (1397-1462) m. Edward I (1391-1438) King of Portugal
3) Catherine (1398-1449) m. Charles IV (1397-1451) King of Navarre [3]
[1] Daughter of Charles V
[2] Daughter of Martin the Younger and Maria of Sicily
[3] Son of Charles III
Alfonso V (1377-1398) King of Aragon 1396, m. Catherine of France (1378-1424) [1]
1) John II (1395-1434) King of Aragon 1398, King of Sicily 1410, m. Constance of Sicily (1398-1456) [2]
2) Martha (1397-1462) m. Edward I (1391-1438) King of Portugal
3) Catherine (1398-1449) m. Charles IV (1397-1451) King of Navarre [3]
[1] Daughter of Charles V
[2] Daughter of Martin the Younger and Maria of Sicily
[3] Son of Charles III
Me too! I imagine ferdinand will be his grandaughter's regent until his death in 1516 in which she would be already be 18 and be ready to rule both castile and Aragon.
what about Isabella of Naples (1500-1550), daughter of Federigo IV and Isabel del Balzo? Or her nieces, Anne and Catherine de Laval (if he wants a French match). Eleonore of Austria (if she marries and is then a childless widow by Louis XII) or Mary Tudor the Elder both seem even further outside shots (given the age gap).
Without doubt between 1516 and 1521
I have no idea… Maybe Isabella or Maria of Austria (with Catherine in Hungary)?
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