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Guys, the Japanese Navy isn't going to face von Spee in open battle. Vice Admiral Yamaya Tanin is going to catch the Germans at anchor, at dawn, and by surprise with a significant portion of their crews either ashore or asleep, and in the midst of coaling with open bunkers. Also, von Spee thinks he's evaded both the British Far East Squadrons and the Japanese and that the RN squadron in Chile is the closest threat to him, ergo he's relaxing. Instead, he's going to face having to recall his men, expedite coaling for what little time Neutrality Laws will allow and sortie out of Chilean waters under Japanese guns. And that is assuming that the Japanese choose to honour Chilean neutrality. If they don't...

Well, either way, it's going to a really, really bad day for the Germans.
 
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The Japanese have the following ships Kurama, Asama, and Tsukuba, both Kurama and Tsukuba have 4 12" guns, they are only slightly slower than the German ships. Asama is older and is equiped with 4 8" guns in twin turrets.
As for hull cleaning I doubt the Germans would have had any opportunities by this stage.
Yeah, Von Spee is considerably overmatched here then.

He may have the advantage in speed though. He can’t use it to fight with really since the 12” guns can match or exceed him and will do much more damage to him than he will do to them. Though the Germans did have very good long range gunnery practice, and I can’t speak to the Japanese equivalent. The British were more focused on closer engagements so if the Japanese copied British practice directly then they may be having to stretch a bit.

Still, I think Von Spee is much more likely to try and run for it. And he probably does have the speed advantage. Especially with Tsukuba along. He presumably would have had his hills cleaned as much as possible while in Tsingtao. But that allows for some buildup.

Guys, the Japanese Navy isn't going to face von Spee in open battle. Vice Admiral Yamaya Tanin is going to catch the Germans at anchor, at dawn, and by surprise with a significant portion of their crews either ashore or asleep, and in the midst of coaling with open bunkers. Also, von Spee thinks he's evaded both the British Far East Squadrons and the Japanese and that the RN squadron in Chile is the closest threat to him, ergo he's relaxing. Instead, he's going to face having to recall his men, expedite coaling for what little time Neutrality Laws will allow and sortie out of Chilean waters under Japanese guns. And that is assuming that the Japanese choose to honour Chilean neutrality. If they don't...

Well, either way, it's going to a really, really bad day for the Germans.
Not sure about this. IOTL Von Spee was running from the Australia and her squadron as much as he was running to South America. So he would likely be watching his back trail. And radio traffic can be intercepted. That was how Craddock and Von Spee found each other at Coronel. If Von Spee’s operators detect Japanese radio traffic he is likely going to hightail it.
 
Not sure about this. IOTL Von Spee was running from the Australia and her squadron as much as he was running to South America. So he would likely be watching his back trail. And radio traffic can be intercepted. That was how Craddock and Von Spee found each other at Coronel. If Von Spee’s operators detect Japanese radio traffic he is likely going to hightail it.
Given that two posts seem to be around the same time chronological, its very unlikely there will be any radio to pick up, the Japanese are concentrated rather than spread out so would only use high power signals if talking to home, which they are likely to be planning to do after arriving at Easter Island and anchoring up rather than before. It does seem the Germans should only see them about the time they ask for permission to enter harbour and get a shock to see the Germans already there ( given it will be around dawn and poor light conditions). So Von Spree ends up like his namesake, in harbour with a squadron waiting to give battle as soon as he leaves. No time/sea room to use superior speed.
 
11th October 1914, Near Easter Island

Vice Admiral Yamaya Tanin was sitting in his quarters aboard IJNS Kurama, the squadron Navigator had just confirmed that they would reach Easter Island the following morning, his intention was to arrive just before dawn, if the Germans were present they would either have to fight or flee. Content with his plans and the state of his crews he was ready for action.
This could have a major knock-on. Japan's OTL contribution in the war was trivial. This by comparison will look much more significant. Though perhaps not as much as I first thought, since the East Asia Squadron won't have Coronel to make them look important. OTOH, the Japanese Navy operating effectively in strength so far from home will definitely raise Japan's profile.
 
Given that two posts seem to be around the same time chronological, its very unlikely there will be any radio to pick up, the Japanese are concentrated rather than spread out so would only use high power signals if talking to home, which they are likely to be planning to do after arriving at Easter Island and anchoring up rather than before. It does seem the Germans should only see them about the time they ask for permission to enter harbour and get a shock to see the Germans already there ( given it will be around dawn and poor light conditions). So Von Spree ends up like his namesake, in harbour with a squadron waiting to give battle as soon as he leaves. No time/sea room to use superior speed.
The German fleet is in a bad position. It's low on coal, a long way from everywhere and outgunned and trapped in port.
Even if faster, they will have only a limited opportunity to gain speed before leaving Chilean waters, they may be low on coal if refuelling hasn't been completed, and all the time they are moving in Chilean waters the Japanese ships can track them and fine tune their firing plans. Even if they can break through the Japanese cordon, the likelihood is that they will be badly damaged and relatively easy to catch soon after.
The chances of even a single ship getting away are slim unless there's a fortunate bit of bad weather to cover their escape.

Did any of the Japanese ships have major vulnerabilities? because a lucky hit on one or more major ships looks like the only chance the Germans have to escape.
 
The problem with the spark gap radios that they used on the ships back then was you didn't have a good way to vary the power on it. When they talk you would know how close they are by how loud their signals are even if they were talking ship to ship.
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This could have a major knock-on. Japan's OTL contribution in the war was trivial. This by comparison will look much more significant. Though perhaps not as much as I first thought, since the East Asia Squadron won't have Coronel to make them look important. OTOH, the Japanese Navy operating effectively in strength so far from home will definitely raise Japan's profile.
The Japanese effort IOTL was far from trivial in real life. Apart from taking the German colonies in China and the North Pacific, they escorted convoys from the antipodes and the sub-continent to the Mediterranean and in the Mediterranean they escorted convoys and undertook anti-submarine patrols - a not insubstantial effort so far from Japanese home waters.
 
Guys, the Japanese Navy isn't going to face von Spee in open battle. Vice Admiral Yamaya Tanin is going to catch the Germans at anchor, at dawn, and by surprise with a significant portion of their crews either ashore or asleep, and in the midst of coaling with open bunkers. Also, von Spee thinks he's evaded both the British Far East Squadrons and the Japanese and that the RN squadron in Chile is the closest threat to him, ergo he's relaxing. Instead, he's going to face having to recall his men, expedite coaling for what little time Neutrality Laws will allow and sortie out of Chilean waters under Japanese guns. And that is assuming that the Japanese choose to honour Chilean neutrality. If they don't...

Well, either way, it's going to a really, really bad day for the Germ

The Japanese effort IOTL was far from trivial in real life. Apart from taking the German colonies in China and the North Pacific, they escorted convoys from the antipodes and the sub-continent to the Mediterranean and in the Mediterranean they escorted convoys and undertook anti-submarine patrols - a not insubstantial effort so far from Japanese home waters.
Yes but that was largely the navies doing.
 
Re the earlier comments on radio traffic, Drachinfel did a video on radio sigint in the North Sea during WW1. Paraphrasing outrageously, the German radio discipline was somewhat shite, broadcasting at full power about almost everything, whereas the RN basically only used it when flag signalling was impractical. If the Japanese are following RN practice, which I suspect they would, there may be no radio traffic to pick up.
 
Re the earlier comments on radio traffic, Drachinfel did a video on radio sigint in the North Sea during WW1. Paraphrasing outrageously, the German radio discipline was somewhat shite, broadcasting at full power about almost everything, whereas the RN basically only used it when flag signalling was impractical. If the Japanese are following RN practice, which I suspect they would, there may be no radio traffic to pick up.
That is my assumption.
 
Radio Discipline
11th October 1914, North of Easter Island.

The signaller aboard SMS Dresden sent the brief signal, it was coded but it gave the ships position 60 nautical miles northeast of Easter Island and its speed as 12 knots, and that it anticipated arrival in Easter Island early on the following morning. The signal was brief, a curt reply was sent from the South Seas Squadron, acknowledging the signal and giving the squadrons position anchored off Hanga Roa.

The signallers on IJNS Kurama had had a quiet watch, there being very little in the way of radio traffic in these empty seas. Both the squadron Signals officer and the ships own signals officer aboard Kurama had insisted that a vigilant watch be maintained, and the petty officers had ensured that the signallers maintain vigilance, coming down hard on any men who appeared to be losing focus.

The signals from Dresden broke in on this nevertheless peaceful routine, the signal was short but it was powerful and close by, it was detected by the radio watches aboard all three Japanese Ships, bearings were plotted rapidly, ranges were estimated from signal strengths. The Flag Captain and Admiral were both woken and informed of this signal within minutes of its receipt, shortly followed by additional messages confirming the appearance of a second briefer signal originating from Easter Island itself.

For Vice Admiral Yamaya Tanin, the signals were a gift from heaven, he knew one ship was located on a bearing to the East North East of his position and that a second ship was located on a bearing to the east of his position likely at Easter Island itself. The winds had been steadily out of the South East for days and his sailing notes for the south pacific included a not that the anchorage at Hanga Roa was protected from wind coming from that direction.

He considered it likely that the German Squadron would be off Hanga Roa likely coaling, whilst the second ship was likely to be using the island as a rendezvous. Thinking rapidly he began to plan his response, he would order IJN Asama to proceed at her best speed down a line between the reciprocal of the bearing to the first signal, and Easter Island, searching for the ship that was the signal source. Asama was to verify that it was a German and then ship and take, sink or destroy it. Asama was his least powerful cruiser but with 4 8inch guns in two twin turrets and 14 6” guns she was more powerfully armed than any of the German ships in the Pacific except Scharnhurst and Gneisenau. Her armour would certainly shrug of anything smaller than an 8” shell, Yamaya was happy to detach her for this task, she was his weakest ship but still powerful, she was sufficient to identify and deal with whatever German Ship had been signalling to the north of Easter Island.

His orders to Asama went out by rapidly blinking signal lamp, she was ordered to obey radio silence unless she encountered the entire German Squadron, she was not to signal otherwise, but was to proceed to the southeastern side of Easter Island at her best speed once she had completed the first part of her mission. Yamaya assumed that the Germans would attempt to flee east towards Chile and the South Atlantic, rather than face his ships although he wasn’t sure if they had the coal to manage this, they may fight since flight was impossible.

Yamaya then had his signals officer send a message to the other ship of his squadron IJN Tsukuba, she was to follow him in line astern. They would time their approach to Easter Island so that they were off the island at dawn, the darkness would obscure their smoke minimising the risk of detection. Yamaya ordered radio silence for both ships, all signals would be by lamp and flag, with Tsukuba keeping station on Kurama no radio signals were necessary.

The ships would go to action stations just before dawn with all in readiness to fight or pursue.
 
Indian Expeditionary Force A
12th October 1914, Near Mons

The men of the Indian Expeditionary Force A were drawn up for inspection, the King Emperor George V, the Commander of the BEF Field Marshal Smith Dorien, the GOC British 1st Army General Sir William Robertson and the commander of the Indian Expeditionary Force Sir James Wilcocks along with aides and various others were striding along the ranks inspecting representatives of the first Imperial troops to join the fight, the Indians would be first but across the length and breadth of the empire men were training or taking ship to join the war, Canadian Troops were expected soon to be followed by the first division of Australians and New Zealanders. In time recruits from Africa and the Caribbean would also face the foe.

The King and the Generals would inspect Gurkas, Jats, and men of the Frontier Rifles, Bombay Sappers and Miners, Sikh Cavalry and a host of other troops even humble drivers from the Supply and Transport Corps, before the entire Corps marched past the saluting stand. The Indian troops had been busy since they had arrived in France a month before, they had been training hard and re-equipping replacing old and obsolescent equipment with new.

The Indian Expeditionary force was to join 1st Army as its third Corps, the 1st Army was already taking part in the investment of Brussels, the siege would be conducted by the British Expeditionary Force and part of the Belgian Army. The majority of the Belgian Army, led by King Albert were taking part in the attacks that were pushing the Germans back away from Brussels.

General Sir William Robertson had not expected to be present at the parade until mere days ago, having only just been appointed commander of 1st Army, after Field Marshal Smith Dorien had dismissed Sir Arthur Paget from command. Paget had initially been appointed into command of First Army with the support of Churchill and French, some had been surprised by the decision given his role in the Curragh Mutiny. The doubters had been proved right, Paget had proved to be a poor commander lacking the decisiveness of Haig and Plumer, his Army had performed well, despite his failings but that said more for the Corps commanders, Rawlinson and Byng than it did for Paget. Paget was also keen to play politics he had even tried to start a whispering campaign against Haig and Wilson.

Smith Dorien had known Sir William Robertson for a long time and his performance as Quarter Master General for the BEF had been outstanding. His relationship with Wilson which had previously been poor had improved during the hard fighting over the last few months and he was held in high regard by Rawlinson. Rawlinson, Smith Dorien and Robertson had spent time in 1909 travelling through Belgium inspecting the ground over which they now fought and predicting the probable line of the German attack.

Robertson was happy to have the Indian troops under his command, his fluent command of many of the languages of the Indian Army was much remarked on and he displayed it during the inspection acting as an interpreter for the King Emperor as he inspected the men. Switching fluently from Urdu to Pashto to Gurkali as needed.

Robertson thought the Indian troops would be well suited to the siege that was developing. They usually served in small units scattered across the length and breadth of the Raj and so the officers and men were trained to use high levels of initiative. Additionally, the relative paucity of artillery would be less of an issue in the siege, the British had no intention to level Brussels, but instead would conduct continuous small probing attacks to identify weak points and to wear down the defenders. The aim was to induce surrender rather than smashing the city to winkle out the last half starved defender.

When the parade concluded General Wilcocks invited King and the various generals to dine with himself and the senior officers of the Corps. The Prince of Wales who was serving with the second battalion of the Grenadier Guards was also been in attendance, he had spent several minutes having an animated conversations with both the King his father and General Robertson. Field Marshal Smith Dorien and Lt General Rawlinson, knew he would be begging for release to serve on the front line. They had both received numerous requests that he be allowed to play his part, the King was not opposed, the main concerns seemed to be political and a natural desire not to be the General Officer Commanding who got the heir to the throne killed. Smith Dorien was aware of the mounting casualties, as far as he was concerned the Prince could fight, perhaps even should fight, resolving the decision, Smith Dorien would issue an order in the morning allowing the Prince of Wales to enter the line.
 

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What a pod! A glorious death, not only no scandal but the Queen paraphrasing his future daughter in law and stating in public, now I can look at the West Enders to their face...

Edited to add that even an century later there would still be conspiranoics affirming that the whole thing was a cold blood murder perpetrated by the Royal Family. With films "showing" that the bullet couldn't have followed that, theoretical, path... Basically this TL Kennedy conspiracy theories...
 
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as far as he was concerned the Prince could fight, perhaps even should fight,
Well, if David does get himself killed that would resolve the abdication crisis some years early at least.

Unlikely but might theoretically even extend George V’s life a little. Depending on what view you have of the POW’s connection to Dawson of Penn’s actions. And the possibility of George V rallying again.
 
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What a pod! A glorious death, not only no scandal but the Queen paraphrasing his future daughter in law and stating in public, now I can look at the West Enders to their face...
He isn't dead yet, I haven't decided that he is even going to, but the main impediment to his serving on the front was Kitchener and I drowned him so there you have it. Also I realise that I need to make an edit early on, I hadn't given anyone 1st army, hence Paget.
 
Well, if David does get himself killed that would resolve the abdication crisis some years early at least.

Unlikely but might theoretically even extend George V’s life a little. Depending on what view you have of the POW’s connection to Dawson of Penn’s actions. And the possibility of George V rallying again.
Wot?

This is a butterfly so big even if he were to meet Wallace he's unlikely to give her the time of day.
 
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