A Better Rifle at Halloween

Unless the US has a boom/bust recession with massive wage growth in the boom all happening before 1917 no red America. The wobs can’t organise fast enough and there’s no trigger after an empowerment.
 
Had the British Army done away with reporters in the field yet? I know Churchill has a full-time-job, but I can see someone in that ilk running around France and Belgium writing “awkward dynamite” to stir up all the armchair generals back home to write letters to The Tines and their MPs demanding more of “these new automatic firearms”.
For every letter to the Times demanding Little Johnnie's regiment gets equipped with the new wonder weapons there'll be three demanding the Army stop playing with these new fangled repeating and self loading toys and get back to real soldiering by bringing back the Martini Henry or Snider rifles.
 
For every letter to the Times demanding Little Johnnie's regiment gets equipped with the new wonder weapons there'll be three demanding the Army stop playing with these new fangled repeating and self loading toys and get back to real soldiering by bringing back the Martini Henry or Snider rifles.
Harrumph! What's wrong with the Brown Bess and a halfpike?
Disgusted of Tonbridge Wells (retired).
 
Harrumph! What's wrong with the Brown Bess and a halfpike?
Disgusted of Tonbridge Wells (retired).
That's whats wrong with the world; to much reliance on newfangled gadgets, I tell you!! Longbowmen and billmen. That's what we need!! It's what won at Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt!!
Disgruntled of Taunton (resurrected)
 
Dear Sir, I am much perplexed by this opinion on arms. Last time we faced the Germans, Arthur defeated the Saxons with the common spear, cavalry, and dashing good form.

Dyspeptic of Thriplow (never enlisted)
 
For every letter to the Times demanding Little Johnnie's regiment gets equipped with the new wonder weapons there'll be three demanding the Army stop playing with these new fangled repeating and self loading toys and get back to real soldiering by bringing back the Martini Henry or Snider rifles.
Getting back to soldiering? Hmm, one would have to issue them the Baker Rifle then, eh?

Now thats soldiering…
 
Huh looking back a bit if the US does go disgruntled or hostile extra RN station would be needed to make sure the Sea, Canada, the Caribbean and south American Territories are secure at least ones covering the possible routes.

Especially on the side of Canada building up the Militia and Regulars are key. Since the US Army is still very much a Frontier force and the USN isn't the fleet it will be in the future.
 
Unless the US has a boom/bust recession with massive wage growth in the boom all happening before 1917 no red America. The wobs can’t organise fast enough and there’s no trigger after an empowerment.
Sorry I don't follow what you mean., empowment?
 
The US economy was at a low point in the business cycle in 1914, whilst there will be lots of orders from the various participants it is unlikely to match the boom seen in OTL.
 
I know who won the war though……….
Quite so. So we can presume that even if all the middle class who (AIUI) comprised the Volunteer Force and were proudly “not hidebound” don’t ask for SLRs, then the Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry, and the Welsh Guards will.
 
I think that, if we could ever travel back in time far enough, there would be literal hidebound conservative types bemoaning the "modern" technology of attaching sharpened rocks to sticks. Not to mention the whole 'cooking with fire' business...

"I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Back in my day, we made do with with either a rock or a stick. Combining them like this is just... wrong!"
 
"I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Back in my day, we made do with with either a rock or a stick. Combining them like this is just... wrong!"
Well when I joined the army we didn’t have any fancy rifles, we had sticks, two sticks and a rock which we had to share!

Cheer up chaps! Your some bloody lucky Squadies!
 
Well when I joined the army we didn’t have any fancy rifles, we had sticks, two sticks and a rock which we had to share!

Cheer up chaps! Your some bloody lucky Squadies!
A rock? Ee luxury! We used ter dream of rocks. All we ’ad were sand and pot of glue……….
 
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NotBigBrother

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Well when I joined the army we didn’t have any fancy rifles, we had sticks, two sticks and a rock which we had to share!

Cheer up chaps! Your some bloody lucky Squadies!
Once were real men, they fight with teeth and nails. Now those weaklings need "sticks" and "rocks"!
 
Sorry I don't follow what you mean., empowment?
I'm sorry I didn't express myself clearly. For a revolutionary moment you want a strong workers movement which has recently been winning and thus built a leadership within the working class itself (We all trust Bob). This sense of winning provides an imaginary space where "The Seattle Soviet" makes sense. But you can't just win a series of wage rises via strikes. Because that indicates the system as it is is working. You need a working class on a winning streak which then has the systemic failure of capital clearly indicated. You need a sharp downturn or crisis after the working class has been empowered: after it has realised its own power. In Germany it was the shop stewards movement out of the Socialists: there had been growth and growing power. And then a turnip winter a lost war and success over in Russia. A continuous recession in 1914-16 in the US due to better imperial preference won't get strikes won in enough US urban centres. A few US left socialist strikes won and more importantly wob led strikes won during a short boom will making winning seem possible and build plant and city organisers who feel they can and ought to win. Then the sharp recession makes everyone feel that the win they ought to have is prevented by "capital" in general.

Then usually for the revolution to succeed the existing ruling class needs to be incompetent, divided and thoroughly puzzled about what is actually happening leaving space for the new plant or regional councils to solidify power. At least a few months is a good measure unless half the ruling class wants the revolution anyway (but is still too incompetent to out organise the councils).

Sorry for being unclear.

Sam R.
 
uh looking back a bit if the US does go disgruntled or hostile extra RN station would be needed to make sure the Sea, Canada, the Caribbean and south American Territories are secure at least ones covering the possible routes.
Where? Canada just needs 1 Atlantic, 1 Pacific which it already has, Bermuda is covering the rest, I suppose you at a pinch could re-establish Jamacia as separate but not convinced by 1914 it would make a difference. South America, the issue is lack of places to put a base, only got the Falklands in the South Atlantic, which is a coaling station already but not suitable for a dockyard. Same in the Pacific, not a lot that makes sense outside the existing bases ( which are mainly concerned with covering the West Pacific and DEI, the exception being Canada of course)
 
Where? Canada just needs 1 Atlantic, 1 Pacific which it already has, Bermuda is covering the rest, I suppose you at a pinch could re-establish Jamacia as separate but not convinced by 1914 it would make a difference. South America, the issue is lack of places to put a base, only got the Falklands in the South Atlantic, which is a coaling station already but not suitable for a dockyard. Same in the Pacific, not a lot that makes sense outside the existing bases ( which are mainly concerned with covering the West Pacific and DEI, the exception being Canada of course)
British ships effectively based themselves from the Rio de la Plata in WW1. Relations were good with all nations involved so repairs and coaling were never a problem. If the goal is maintaining a future blockade on American Gulf shipping you probably need a base on Jamaica or maybe in British Honduras (Modern Belize). If the goal is just to protect trade around South America then the Plata as OTL, the Falklands (also as OTL) or possibly Guyana?
 

Coulsdon Eagle

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British ships effectively based themselves from the Rio de la Plata in WW1. Relations were good with all nations involved so repairs and coaling were never a problem. If the goal is maintaining a future blockade on American Gulf shipping you probably need a base on Jamaica or maybe in British Honduras (Modern Belize). If the goal is just to protect trade around South America then the Plata as OTL, the Falklands (also as OTL) or possibly Guyana?
Believe Port-of-Spain was nominated as the RN chief anchorage if the Caribbean became hot.
 
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