WI Bismarck accepts Crhistian IXs offer and annexes Denmark.

So, following defeat in the German-Danish war, Christian IX went behind the backs of the Danish government to contact the Prussians, offering that the whole of Denmark could join the German confederation, if Denmark could stay united with Schleswig and Holstein. This proposal was rejected by Bismarck, who feared that the ethnic strife in Schleswig between Danes and Germans would then stay unresolved. Christian IX's negotiations were not publicly known.

What if, Bismarck finds a compromise and annexes Denmark into the German confederation?

Can he manage to force it into the North German confederation and into the Reich too?
 
So, following defeat in the German-Danish war, Christian IX went behind the backs of the Danish government to contact the Prussians, offering that the whole of Denmark could join the German confederation, if Denmark could stay united with Schleswig and Holstein. This proposal was rejected by Bismarck, who feared that the ethnic strife in Schleswig between Danes and Germans would then stay unresolved. Christian IX's negotiations were not publicly known.

What if, Bismarck finds a compromise and annexes Denmark into the German confederation?

Can he manage to force it into the North German confederation and into the Reich too?
Wouldn´t Christian be forced to resign once the offer was known?
 

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Wouldn't that butterfly away the casus belli used to spark the Austro-Prussian War? Granted, war between the two powers seems to have been an inevitability, and I'm sure Bismarck would have been able to conjure up a new reason for war, but that might change the circumstances of the conflict.

Diplomatically, the British are rather pissed off at the Prussians (even more so than they were OTL?) and it might threaten relations with Sweden-Norway for a while.

In the long run, however, assuming that the German Empire is able to form more or less as it did OTL, I expect that Kgr. Danemark would have similar levels of autonomy to Bavaria, with various independent state organs, its own army, and perhaps even its own coastal defense force/navy and merchant marine? I also imagine that trade with the rest of Scandinavia would increase with the addition of Denmark, and in the long run you might even see improved relations between Germany and Sweden and intensified cooperation on defense and security. Britain, however, would be more hostile to Germany and its interests from an earlier date. Having access to naval bases in the Faeroe Islands, Iceland, and Greenland, however, would definitely help when WW1 comes along, and not just from an economic or military standpoint. Control over those land masses would probably break the Entente's near-monopoly on the flow of information and propaganda, which could butterfly away US entry into the war.

Furthermore, having naval bases further north along the Heligoland Bight and maintaining total control over the Skagerrak and the Sound would help immensely with fighting both the Royal Navy and the Imperial Russian Navy.

On the topic of Iceland and the other Danish colonies, I imagine that Iceland might be made a kingdom or grand duchy within the framework of the Empire in order to stifle separatist movements there. The Faeroes, Greenland, and the Virgin Islands will probably remain subdivisions of the Kingdom of Denmark, however.
 
So, following defeat in the German-Danish war, Christian IX went behind the backs of the Danish government to contact the Prussians, offering that the whole of Denmark could join the German confederation, if Denmark could stay united with Schleswig and Holstein. This proposal was rejected by Bismarck, who feared that the ethnic strife in Schleswig between Danes and Germans would then stay unresolved. Christian IX's negotiations were not publicly known.

What if, Bismarck finds a compromise and annexes Denmark into the German confederation?

Can he manage to force it into the North German confederation and into the Reich too?

In an age of Nationalism and Liberalism being forced into Germany would produce a massive outcry among the Danes. How would the great powers respond to this ? I think France, Russia and Great Britain would be alarmed...
 
Denmark would not be annexed by Germany as that was not the offer given, they would join the German Confederation and become a German puppet or ally.
 
Great Britain would be extremely perturbed, as it would aggressively strengthen the German controlled fleet (even as a shadow of its former self the Danish fleet was still second tier behind Spain, Portugal, France, UK and Netherlands), and give them reasonably strong ports of call both in the North Atlantic and in Caribbean, not to mention the relatively critical bottleneck of the danish sounds controlling access to the Baltics, cramping Russia
 
Great Britain would be extremely perturbed, as it would aggressively strengthen the German controlled fleet (even as a shadow of its former self the Danish fleet was still second tier behind Spain, Portugal, France, UK and Netherlands), and give them reasonably strong ports of call both in the North Atlantic and in Caribbean, not to mention the relatively critical bottleneck of the danish sounds controlling access to the Baltics, cramping Russia

Don't you know the old British saying? "If it's bad for Russia or France, it's good for us."
 
In an age of Nationalism and Liberalism being forced into Germany would produce a massive outcry among the Danes. How would the great powers respond to this ? I think France, Russia and Great Britain would be alarmed...
Yeah, Denmark was undergoing its own nationalist period; being a part of Germany (as opposed to part of the German Confederation, which would leave them mostly independent) would not work out. Most likely, the transition to North German Federation and then Germany would simply exclude Denmark.
 
Denmark would not be annexed by Germany as that was not the offer given, they would join the German Confederation and become a German puppet or ally.

A puppet of what German government?

The Federal Diet was hardly powerful enough to be called one.
 
Denmark joining the German Confederation, which was the old-style GC with an Austrian presidency as reaffirmed in the Punctuation of Olmutz and Prussia playing second fiddle, would not have been attractive to any of the involved parties.
The German nationalists would not have liked the idea of including in the GC a state which had never been part of the HRE, much less of any German state, and was speaking a different language.
Austria was certainly not interested in changing the balance of power in the GC, where they were convinced (wrongly, as it was proven less than two years later) to be the top dog.
Prussia was the least interested of all in such a venture: Bismarck was quite smart, and coated his refusal in terms of German nationalism; however it is quite obvious that he was convinced that Prussia was ascendant, and including a completely separated state in the GC would have produced no benefit but might become a serious problem once the show down with Austria was going to happen.

Incidentally, the Danish offer was a personal initiative of the newly crowned Danish king and it is very doubtful (to say the least) that the Danish parliament might approve it.
 
Incidentally, the Danish offer was a personal initiative of the newly crowned Danish king and it is very doubtful (to say the least) that the Danish parliament might approve it.

The king was very disliked being a "German" and parliament and certainly the government at the time wouldn't have approved of it. The king could of course have chosen another government, which he actually did, but it wouldn't help him. There was a very small minority who could imagine this outcome but they knew they'd probably get jailed or lynched if they said so!
 
The German nationalists would not have liked the idea of including in the GC a state which had never been part of the HRE, much less of any German state, and was speaking a different language.

Denmark was part of HRE between 950 (when Otto the Great forced Gorm the Old (first historically recognized king of Denmark), to accept the Empire's overlordship) to ~983 (when Otto II died from Malaria and his heir was 3 years old) ... so while it only lasted for a, relatively speaking, very short time, saying that it was never part of HRE, is incorrect.
 
The German nationalists would not have liked the idea of including in the GC a state which had never been part of the HRE, much less of any German state, and was speaking a different language.

Sure, Low German and High German are more closely related to each other than they are to Danish, but as far as I understand Low German and High German are different enough not to be considered part of the same language. Probably Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are more closely related to each other than High German is to Low German. Anyway, even if the Germans had accepted Denmark, I cannot see that Denmark would want to be part of Germany. This was the time of nationalism after all.
 
A puppet of what German government?

The Federal Diet was hardly powerful enough to be called one.
By Federal diet you mean the one of the German Confederation? What I mean by puppet of Germany is puppet of whatever future united Germany exists.
 
Except they are friendly with France. Less so with Russia but this alters their precious balence of power a lot.

BUT in 1864 Britain wasn't friendly with Russia or France!
The Russians hated Britian and France because of the crimean war.
Britain and Russia hat colonial diffences in Afganistan.
Britain and France hat colonial diffences in Africa.
 
BUT in 1864 Britain wasn't friendly with Russia or France!
The Russians hated Britian and France because of the crimean war.
Britain and Russia hat colonial diffences in Afganistan.
Britain and France hat colonial diffences in Africa.
They were perfectly friendly with the French at the time, though obviously not tied together.

They might let Denmark join the confederation. But if Prussia tries to force it into a United State? No way the British let Germany seize it. Germany is not going to go to war over it.
 
They were perfectly friendly with the French at the time, though obviously not tied together.

They might let Denmark join the confederation. But if Prussia tries to force it into a United State? No way the British let Germany seize it. Germany is not going to go to war over it.
Not over Mexico, certainly. Or Southeast Asia....
 
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