List alternate PMs or Presidents
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d32123
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I don't see what's wrong with having "boring" state legislators or even imaginary characters so long as you properly develop the characters and make things interesting. I'll take a well-developed original character over a stilted cardboard version of a prominent real politician.
Oh for sure, in a fully fleshed out TL it could work depending on the writers ability... But when we are talking President/PM lists or Electoral Map/Wikibox serieses then it makes more sense to use people with whom the reader will be familiar or atleast be able to find information on.
d32123
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Eh. I mean I know very little about American politics prior to the year 1900 and I still enjoy a lot of the better pre-1900 lists where I have to look up 90% of the figures used (nevermind the British lists we sometimes get here, and the Canadian wikibox series which have taken over the wikibox thread). I get what you're trying to say, though.
Thande
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I think unknowns are OK providing you give info-heavy footnotes, but otherwise it might just be a list of Cluedo suspects (Mumby, get on that, Cluedo suspects as a PM list, the Guess Who brigade can be the backbenchers).
The Republican Era
26. 1901-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
27. 1913-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
28. 1921-1923: Warren Harding (Republican) [1]
29. 1923-1933: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
30. 1933-1941: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
31. 1941-1949: Wendell Willkie (Republican)
32. 1949-1952: Thomas Dewey (Republican) [2]
33. 1952-1953: Robert Taft (Republican) [3]
34. 1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
35. 1961-1963: Richard Nixon (Republican) [4]
36. 1963-1969: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (Republican)
37. 1969-1977: Nelson Rockfeller (Republican)
37. 1977-1989: Ronald Reagan (Republican) [5]
38. 1989-1997: Bob Dole (Republican)
39. 1997-2005: Colin Powell (Republican) [6]
40. 2005-2013: Mitt Romney (Republican) [7]
41. 2013-2021: Michele Bachmann (Republican) [8]
[1] Dies in office (Aug 2, 1923)
[2] Dies in office (Apr 27, 1952)
[3] Declines to run for reelection
[4] Assassinated in Dallas, TX (Nov 22, 1963)
[5] First three-term president since TR.
[6] First African American president.
[7] First Mormon president.
[8] First Woman president.
26. 1901-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
27. 1913-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
28. 1921-1923: Warren Harding (Republican) [1]
29. 1923-1933: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
30. 1933-1941: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
31. 1941-1949: Wendell Willkie (Republican)
32. 1949-1952: Thomas Dewey (Republican) [2]
33. 1952-1953: Robert Taft (Republican) [3]
34. 1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
35. 1961-1963: Richard Nixon (Republican) [4]
36. 1963-1969: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (Republican)
37. 1969-1977: Nelson Rockfeller (Republican)
37. 1977-1989: Ronald Reagan (Republican) [5]
38. 1989-1997: Bob Dole (Republican)
39. 1997-2005: Colin Powell (Republican) [6]
40. 2005-2013: Mitt Romney (Republican) [7]
41. 2013-2021: Michele Bachmann (Republican) [8]
[1] Dies in office (Aug 2, 1923)
[2] Dies in office (Apr 27, 1952)
[3] Declines to run for reelection
[4] Assassinated in Dallas, TX (Nov 22, 1963)
[5] First three-term president since TR.
[6] First African American president.
[7] First Mormon president.
[8] First Woman president.
Is that meant to be serious? If it is, it's just silly. It shows up so many of the bad AH tropes that I can't be bothered to list them. Also, a Bachmann Presidency will be VERY scary for the likes of pretty much anyone who has post 1980s social attitudes.
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Well you don't need to know who someone is if you can find out. You can look up pre-1900 US politicians you can't look up some one I just made up. Of course if the story is there then sure, you can make up whatever you want.
This is what I am trying to say.
I mean no one wants to read this:
Hillary Clinton/Julian Castro (D) 2016-2024
John McSmithy/Paul Penn (R) 2024-2028
James Jamison-McJames/Alice Laqueesha Lopez (D) 2028-2029*
Alice Laqueesha Lopez/Mark Madden (D) 2029-2032
Ramon X. McSmithy/Paul Penn Jr. (R) 2032-2040
Bob Bradley Burlington/Dan Vader (D) 2040**
Dan Vader/Grizzley Greenwald (D) 2040-2044
Stan Mann/Travis Kickapoo Cramer (R) 2044-2048
Gizzley Greenwald/Django Djordje (D) 2048-2052
*assassinated
** Choked to death on a pretzel on his first day in office
Getting away from all the meta-stuff, here's the list of leaders from my "A Different Twenty-Seventh" infobox TL. Not putting in a lot of notes, so here's a link to the most recent post which has links to all of the rest of the series.
Presidents of the United States
37. 1969-1974: Richard Nixon (Republican)*
38. 1974-1981: Gerald Ford (Republican)
39. 1981-1989: Hugh Carey (Democratic)
40. 1989-1997: Dick Gephardt (Democratic)
41. 1997-2005: John McCain (Republican)
42. 2005-2009: George Allen (Republican)
43. 2009-2013: Buddy Roemer (Reform)
44. 2013-????: Kathleen Sebelius (Democratic)
*-resigned
Presidents of Mexico
50. 1970-1976: Luis Echeverría (PRI)
51. 1976-1982: José López Portillo (PRI)
52. 1982-1988: Miguel de la Madrid (PRI)
53. 1988-1994: Cuahtémoc Cárdenas (FDN)
54. 1994-2000: Porfirio Muñoz Ledo (FDN)
55. 2000-2006: Vincente Fox (PAN)
56. 2006-2012: Andrés Manuel Lopez Obradór (FDN)
57. 2012????: Josefina Vázquez Mota (PAN)
Prime Ministers of Canada
1968-1972: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1972-1974: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal minority)
1974-1979: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1979-1980: Joe Clark (Progressive Conservative minority)
1980-1984: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1984-1985: John Turner (Liberal)
1985-1993: Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative)
1993-1998: Paul Martin (Liberal minority)
1998-2008: Kim Campbell (Conservative minority)
2008: Jim Prentice (Conservative minority)
2008-????: Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal)
Presidents of the United States
37. 1969-1974: Richard Nixon (Republican)*
38. 1974-1981: Gerald Ford (Republican)
39. 1981-1989: Hugh Carey (Democratic)
40. 1989-1997: Dick Gephardt (Democratic)
41. 1997-2005: John McCain (Republican)
42. 2005-2009: George Allen (Republican)
43. 2009-2013: Buddy Roemer (Reform)
44. 2013-????: Kathleen Sebelius (Democratic)
*-resigned
Presidents of Mexico
50. 1970-1976: Luis Echeverría (PRI)
51. 1976-1982: José López Portillo (PRI)
52. 1982-1988: Miguel de la Madrid (PRI)
53. 1988-1994: Cuahtémoc Cárdenas (FDN)
54. 1994-2000: Porfirio Muñoz Ledo (FDN)
55. 2000-2006: Vincente Fox (PAN)
56. 2006-2012: Andrés Manuel Lopez Obradór (FDN)
57. 2012????: Josefina Vázquez Mota (PAN)
Prime Ministers of Canada
1968-1972: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1972-1974: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal minority)
1974-1979: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1979-1980: Joe Clark (Progressive Conservative minority)
1980-1984: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1984-1985: John Turner (Liberal)
1985-1993: Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative)
1993-1998: Paul Martin (Liberal minority)
1998-2008: Kim Campbell (Conservative minority)
2008: Jim Prentice (Conservative minority)
2008-????: Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal)
Grizzley Greenwald for President!
Sorry I just love that name. Shame you made it up.
Presidents of the United States (1989-)
1989-1997 - (R) - George H.W. Bush (1)
1997-2005 - (D) - Joe Biden (2)
2005-2009 - (D) - Richard Gephardt (3)
2009-2014 - (R) - Mitt Romney (4)
2014-20?? - (R) - Sam Brownback (5)
[1] The revelations that Democratic nominee Bill Clinton had fathered a child with model Gennifer Flowers sent President Bush back to the White House in a fourth consecutive electoral victory for the GOP. Bush would preside over a modest and uncontroversial second term, leaving office with an approval rating of 52%.
[2] Senator Joe Biden was the surprise victor in the 1996 Democratic primaries, beating Al Gore, Ann Richards and John Kerry to take the crown. Tapping Dick Gephardt as a running mate, he beat Bob Dole in a landslide and became the first Democratic president since Jimmy Carter. His first term in office was defined by NATO intervention in Kosovo and reforms of both the education and healthcare systems and, with no reason to switch horses midstream, the American people reelected him comfortably in November 2000 against former Vice President Dan Quayle. His second term was defined by the devastating September 14th terror attacks and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan, securing his place in history as a popular and competent president. Days before he handed over office to Dick Gephardt, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was shot and killed in Afghanistan.
[3]Vice President Gephardt beat John McCain in November 2004, riding the coattails of the popular Biden administration, and was inaugarated at the 43rd President of the United States, ensuring at least twelve years of Democratic occupation of the White House. The devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina, as well as the damage caused by the bombing of Times Square in July 2007, resulted in Gephardt's approval ratings plummeting and he was soon facing a Congress dominated by the GOP. Finding few friends abroad (with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair refusing to take part in any invasion of Iraq) and unable to pass the legislation he wanted, Gephardt became the first one term president since Jimmy Carter.
[4] Mitt Romney comfortably beat Dick Gephardt in the autumn of 2008 and returned the Republicans to the White House for the first term in twelve years. Sluggish economic growth and his decision to go to war with Iran in the autumn of 2011 contributed to Romney's falling popularity. The confirmation of an Iranian nuclear weapons program in March 2012 effectively sealed his reelection against Martin O'Malley, but as the years drew on and the economy refused to budge his approval ratings remained relatively low. When asked to sum up the Romney administration in a poll, it said a lot that the two most popular words for his business-like approach were "efficient" and "boring".
[5] After years of work and toil, it took three bullets to bring the Romney presidency to a premature end. The nation turned on their televisions and experienced an event the country hadn't witnessed since 1963, as a sombre doctor announced that his team had been unable to save the life of the President. As a solemn Sam Brownback took the oath of office, a nation mourned, but how the new President will govern remains to be seen...
1989-1997 - (R) - George H.W. Bush (1)
1997-2005 - (D) - Joe Biden (2)
2005-2009 - (D) - Richard Gephardt (3)
2009-2014 - (R) - Mitt Romney (4)
2014-20?? - (R) - Sam Brownback (5)
[1] The revelations that Democratic nominee Bill Clinton had fathered a child with model Gennifer Flowers sent President Bush back to the White House in a fourth consecutive electoral victory for the GOP. Bush would preside over a modest and uncontroversial second term, leaving office with an approval rating of 52%.
[2] Senator Joe Biden was the surprise victor in the 1996 Democratic primaries, beating Al Gore, Ann Richards and John Kerry to take the crown. Tapping Dick Gephardt as a running mate, he beat Bob Dole in a landslide and became the first Democratic president since Jimmy Carter. His first term in office was defined by NATO intervention in Kosovo and reforms of both the education and healthcare systems and, with no reason to switch horses midstream, the American people reelected him comfortably in November 2000 against former Vice President Dan Quayle. His second term was defined by the devastating September 14th terror attacks and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan, securing his place in history as a popular and competent president. Days before he handed over office to Dick Gephardt, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was shot and killed in Afghanistan.
[3]Vice President Gephardt beat John McCain in November 2004, riding the coattails of the popular Biden administration, and was inaugarated at the 43rd President of the United States, ensuring at least twelve years of Democratic occupation of the White House. The devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina, as well as the damage caused by the bombing of Times Square in July 2007, resulted in Gephardt's approval ratings plummeting and he was soon facing a Congress dominated by the GOP. Finding few friends abroad (with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair refusing to take part in any invasion of Iraq) and unable to pass the legislation he wanted, Gephardt became the first one term president since Jimmy Carter.
[4] Mitt Romney comfortably beat Dick Gephardt in the autumn of 2008 and returned the Republicans to the White House for the first term in twelve years. Sluggish economic growth and his decision to go to war with Iran in the autumn of 2011 contributed to Romney's falling popularity. The confirmation of an Iranian nuclear weapons program in March 2012 effectively sealed his reelection against Martin O'Malley, but as the years drew on and the economy refused to budge his approval ratings remained relatively low. When asked to sum up the Romney administration in a poll, it said a lot that the two most popular words for his business-like approach were "efficient" and "boring".
[5] After years of work and toil, it took three bullets to bring the Romney presidency to a premature end. The nation turned on their televisions and experienced an event the country hadn't witnessed since 1963, as a sombre doctor announced that his team had been unable to save the life of the President. As a solemn Sam Brownback took the oath of office, a nation mourned, but how the new President will govern remains to be seen...
Japhy
Banned
Footnotes are now up for The Long Decline, beware its a long read. I might follow it up with the shorter sequel at some point before the story in its universe starts.
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Thande
Donor
The URL's not formatted correctly so the link doesn't work...please fix, as this sounds intriguing.
Japhy
Banned
Sorry about that. Should work now. I hope. Editing links on an iPhone does suck so if not it's the one that's like two pages back.
Very nice list, very inventive. It's rare to have that amount of constitutional upheaval in a US list.
I have to decline the request for help with the off-board project you discussed, btw, in PM, I'm simply too busy working on my own things* - though I'm sure the others could perhaps help.
*(Seriously - at the moment I'm working on two things on here, a review, and a database)
I have to decline the request for help with the off-board project you discussed, btw, in PM, I'm simply too busy working on my own things* - though I'm sure the others could perhaps help.
*(Seriously - at the moment I'm working on two things on here, a review, and a database)
Thande
Donor
OK, it's working now. Very original idea, that POD is definitely an example of "stranger than fiction" and it's a good way to prise the lid off of the "constitutional iffiness" in the Civil War period and send it all the way into full-blown institutional instability. I imagine there being substantial global effects with the American system viewed less favourably and less immigration to the US from people who saw it as a way of escaping war and conscription OTL -- though still plenty from those who see it as a volatile land of opportunity in which they can pursue their own political ideals.
The Turkey-style position of the armed forces in these constitutional setups is not going to end well.
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