List alternate PMs or Presidents

[CanadianTory]

You know, it actually gives me a fond memory of a favorite Skelentov map of mine(only New England and Pa. were still part of the U.S.).

Can you do the U.S. at some point, btw? That would be interesting, I think.....

I can try

 

[SonOfFreedom]

An alternate list of my previous "Yankee Canada" idea.

ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, RI, MD, DE, NJ, NY, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, ND, SD, MT, WA, OR and AK are part of Canada.

List of Prime Ministers of Canada

1867: Sir John A. MacDonald (Democratic-Conservative Majority)
1871: Sir John A. MacDonald (Democratic-Conservative Majority)
1875: Sir Thomas F. Bayard (National Liberal-Whig Coalition)
1888: Sir John A. MacDonald (Democratic-Conservative Majority)
1891: Sir John Thompson (Democratic-Conservative Majority) [1]
1891: Sir David B. Hill (National Liberal Majority)
1895: Sir David B. Hill (National Liberal Majority)
1899: Sir David B. Hill (National Liberal Minority)
1901: Sir Robert Todd Lincoln (Democratic-Conservative Majority) [2]
1905: Sir Robert Todd Lincoln (Democratic-Conservative Majority)
1909: Sir Wilfred Laurier (National Liberal Minority)
1911: Sir Robert Todd Lincoln (Democratic-Conservative Majority)
1913: Sir Robert Borden (Democratic-Conservative Majority) [3]
1916: Sir Woodrow Wilson (National Liberal Majority)
1919: Sir W.L. Mackenzie King (National Liberal Majority) [4]
1920: Sir W.L. Mackenzie King (National Liberal Majority)
1924: Sir W.L. Mackenzie King (National Liberal Majority)
1928: Sir W.L. Mackenzie King (National Liberal Majority)
1932: Charles E. Hughes (Conservative Minority)
1933: Sir W.L. Mackenzie King (National Liberal-Progressive Coalition)
1935: Charles E. Hughes (Conservative Majority)
1939: Louis St. Laurent (National Liberal Majority)
1940: Louis St. Laurent (National Government Coalition) [5]
1943: Louis St. Laurent (National Government Coalition)
1947: Louis St. Laurent (National Liberal Majority)
1951: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1955: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1959: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative Minority)
1960: Joe Kennedy Jr. (National Liberal Minority)
1963: Joe Kennedy Jr. (National Liberal Majority)
1967: Joe Kennedy Jr. (National Liberal Majority)
1971: Joe Kennedy Jr. (National Liberal Minority)
1973: Duff Roblin (Progressive Conservative Minority)
1975: Duff Roblin (Progressive Conservative Minority)
1976: Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal Majority)
1980: Pierre Trudeau (National Liberal Minority)
1982: Pierre du Pont (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1986: Pierre du Pont (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1990: Pierre du Pont (Progressive Conservative Majority)
1993: Michael Wilson (Progressive Conservative Majority) [6]
1995: Joe Biden (Liberal-Democratic Majority)
1999: Joe Biden (Liberal-Democratic Minority)
2001: Joe Biden (Liberal-Democratic Majority)
2005: Mike Harris (Progressive Conservative Minority)
2007: Howard Dean (Liberal-Democratic Minority)
2010: Howard Dean (Liberal-Democratic Majority)
2014: Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative Minority)
2016: Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative Minority)
2019: Kim Campbell (Progressive Conservative Majority)


[1] Thompson would take over following MacDonald's death.

[2] Following the disastrous result of the American Civil War, Senator Lincoln and his family would flee to Wisconsin, Canada.

[3] Following ten non-consecutive years as PM, Lincoln would resign, leaving the reigns of power to his Minister of National Defense, Robert Borden.

[4] The Liberals would manage to replace the unpopular Wilson with more popular King.

[5] Following the outbreak of WW2, St. Laurent would form a governing coalition consisting of both the Liberals and the Conservatives.

[6] Wilson would narrowly defeat fellow Cabinet Minister's Joe Clark, John Sununu and Tommy Thompson in succeeding PM du Pont as leader.

Any questions?

So Indiana and Illinois don't get to join on Yankee Canada when these states are Yankee too? Why?

 

[CanadianTory]

So Indiana and Illinois don't get to join on Yankee Canada when these states are Yankee too? Why?

Because I have spoken!

 

[SonOfFreedom]

Because I have spoken!

But Ohio and Michgan gets to play.... I'd think the whole Midwest would go. Especially if the POD is related to the Civil War.

 

[RCAF Brat]

The Red Dawn: Confederate “Victory” in the US Civil War.

Premiers of the Kingdom of Laurentia 1864-2012

1864-1874: Sir Alexander Mackenzie (Liberal)
1874-1888: Sir John A. MacDonald (Conservative)
1888-1894: Sir Charles Tupper (C)
1894-1902: Sir John Thompson (C)
1902-1903: Sir Robert Borden (C)
1903-1911: Sir Wilfred Laurier (L)
1911-1922: Sir Robert Borden (C)
1922-1922: Sir Arthur Meighen (C)
1922-1923: Sir William Mackenzie-King (L)
1923-1928: Sir Arthur Meighen (C)
1928-1933: Sir Arthur Currie (C)
1933-1947: Sir William Mackenzie-King (Liberal-Progressive)
1947-1954: Louis St. Laurent (L-P)
1954-1971: Sir James Diefenbaker (Conservative Union)
1971-1973: Patrick Martin, Sr. (L-P)
1973-1982: Robert Stanfield (CU)
1982-1994: Sir John Turner (L-P)
1994-1997: Brian Tobin (CU)
1997-2001: Sir Mathieu Garneau (L-P)
2001-2009: Stephanie Day (CU)
2009- INC: Bernard Lord (CU)

Presidents of the United States of America 1861-1868

1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1865-1868: George McClellan (Democratic)

Presidents of the United American State: 1868-2012

1868-1878: Ulysses Grant (Union)
1878-1883: Samuel Tilden (U)
1883-1893: Benjamin Harrison (U)
1893-1902: Alfred Mahan (U)
1902-1903: Theodore Roosevelt (U)
1903-1908: William Taft (U)
1908-1918: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1918-1923: John J. Astor (P)
1923-1924: Warren Harding (U)
1924-1926: Leonard Wood (U)
1926-1928: Calvin Coolidge (U)
1928-1933: Upton Sinclair (P)
1933-1944: Herbert Hoover (U)
1944-1948: Thomas Dewey (U)
1948-1960: Douglas MacArthur (P)
1960-1963: Joe Kennedy Jr. (P)
1963-1963: George Romney (U)
1963-1973: John McCain Jr. (U)
1973-1983: Malcolm Little (P)
1983-1993: Ulysses Washington Bush (U)
1993-1998: Edward Kennedy (P)
1998-2008: Colleen Powell (U)
2008- INC: Willard Romney (U)

Presidents of the Confederate States of America: 1861-1919

1861-1867: Jefferson Davis (Independent)
1867-1873: Alexander Stephens (I)
1873-1879: James Longstreet (Democratic)
1879-1885: Thomas Jackson (D)
1885-1891: E. Porter Alexander (D)
1891-1897: Elias Carr(D)
1897-1903: Miles Benjamin McSweeney(Constitution)
1903-1909: William Hodges Mann(D)
1909-1915: William Walton Kitchin(C)
1915-1915: Claude Swanson(D)
1915-1919: William McAdoo (C)

First Councillors of the United Workers' Republics: 1919-1977

1919-1927: Eugene V. Debs(Revolutionary Workers’ Alliance)
1927-1951: Hugh Long (Workers’)
1951-1972: Lyndon Johnson (W)
1972-1973: George Wallace (W)
1973-1977: John Calvin King, Sr. (W)

Presidents of the Confederated American Republic: 1977-2012

1977-1986: James Earl Carter (Confederate)
1986-1993: Anne Richards (Labor)
1993-2000: George Washington Clinton (L)
2000-2007: Constance Rice (C)
2007- INC: John Calvin King, Jr. (C)

 

[Turquoise Blue]

You Can't Kill McKinley!

26/26: Charles W. Fairbanks/William Howard Taft (Republican) 1905-1913
1904: def. Alton B. Parker/Henry G. Davis (Democratic) & Eugene V. Debs/Benjamin Hanford (Socialist)
1908: def. Alfred Thayer Mahan/John Sharp Williams (Democratic) & Eugene V. Debs/Benjamin Hanford (Socialist) [1]

27/27: William Jennings Bryan/Woodrow Wilson (Democratic) 1913-1921
1912: def. William Howard Taft/Nicholas Murray Butler (Republican) & Tom L. Johnson/Emil Seidel (Socialist) [2]
1916: def. Theodore Roosevelt/Charles Evans Hughes (Republican) & William D. P. Bliss/James P. Cannon (Socialist) [3]

28/28: J. Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover (Republican) 1921-1933
1920: def. James M. Cox/William G. McAdoo (Democratic) & Ida Crouch-Hazlett/Upton Sinclair (Socialist) [4]
1924: def. William G. McAdoo/John W. Davis (Democratic) & Seymour Stedman/Elmer Allison (Socialist) [5]
1928: def. John Nance Garner/Al Smith (Democratic) & Norman Thomas/Paul Blanshard (Socialist) [6]

29/__: Herbert Hoover/VACANT (Republican) 1933 [7]

30/29: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman (Democratic) 1933-1937
1932: def. Norman Thomas/Upton Sinclair (Socialist) & Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (Republican) [8]

31/30: Upton Sinclair/Travers Clement (Socialist) 1937-1945
1936: def. Herbert Hoover/Alf Landon (Republican) & Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman (Democratic) [9]
1940: def. Thomas E. Dewey/Leverett Saltonstall (National) [10]

[1] In this election, the Socialists got over a million votes for the first time.
[2] Bryan won thanks to a small depression, and because Theodore Roosevelt's bid for the nomination in 1912 seriously divided the Republican Party.
[3] In 1916, Bryan won in a landslide thanks to Roosevelt couping the Republican nomination. But Populism was seriously alienating the urban states...
[4] In 1920, the radical Socialists decided to nominate their most experienced Senator and the first female one in the USA, Ida Crouch-Hazlett. This seriously boosted them with the female vote, but lost elsewhere. But the Democrats were weakening as Bryan's Populism damaged the party significantly...
[5] In 1924, the Socialists entered the Electoral College with a boom as they won several states for the first time with Governor Seymour Stedman. The Democrats was getting confused about their message...
[6] The very popular Coolidge decided to run for a third term. In the election of 1928, Coolidge won by a landslide, but the Socialists surpassed the Democrats for the first time in the popular vote, but came third in the electoral vote.
[7] Hoover was president for two months after Coolidge died and before Roosevelt's inauguration.
[8] Voted in by a landslide, defeating the Socialists and the Republicans, FDR promised to fix the Great Depression. However, the conservatives in his party manipulated his vague idea of a "New Deal" into a neoliberal, free trade program and angered many laborists. Strikes happened against the neoliberal New Deal and FDR sent strikebreakers to break them up, "for the good of the Union". His fireside chats were ignored by the masses and he left office in 1937, the United States' most hated president.
[9] The United States' first Socialist president, Upton Sinclair passed many laws, and his "Great Society" reforms were received by the American people as a godsend after eight nightmare years under Coolidge, Hoover and Roosevelt. The parties those presidents belonged to, the Democratic and Republican parties, were considering a merger...
[10] And so it came to pass that Sinclair defeated not two candidates in a landslide, but one, Thomas Dewey of the Nationals, created from a merger of the old two parties.

 

[Japhy]

The Red Dawn: Confederate “Victory” in the US Civil War.

Well it certainly hits all the Cliches.

How exactly does Indiana boy Eugene Debs become Communist Dictator of the Confederacy?

You Can't Kill McKinley!

I know that if I ask questions you're just going to make things up as you go, so I'm just going to suggest that Research is Your Friend.

Taft goes to Court

I like this one alot TG (Ted? Theo? Gladstone?), I'm not sure any man would having assumed the office just back down in the Face of TR (Who can't win the convention in any circumstance) but it works for the list. An interesting revival of Bryan which actually makes good sense, tough he's have a hell of a time getting the party to accept a Round 4. This is a good one as you took some things that are often overdone but presented them in a sound an interesting way. What are the names of the Ford and Long Parties by the way?

 

[RCAF Brat]

Well it certainly hits all the Cliches.

How exactly does Indiana boy Eugene Debs become Communist Dictator of the Confederacy?

He was chased out of the US in the 1880s and never looked back. The CSA came to regret the decision to grant him citizenship.

(Well in reality I needed a communist from that time and I couldn't find one from the south. So that Indiana boy got the job.)

 

[Japhy]

He was chased out of the US in the 1880s and never looked back. The CSA came to regret the decision to grant him citizenship.

(Well in reality I needed a communist from that time and I couldn't find one from the south. So that Indiana boy got the job.)

Debs wasn't a communist and he wasn't even a Socialist until the 1890's though.

 

[Fleetlord]

He was chased out of the US in the 1880s and never looked back. The CSA came to regret the decision to grant him citizenship.

(Well in reality I needed a communist from that time and I couldn't find one from the south. So that Indiana boy got the job.)

Albert Parsons (assuming he isn't hung in his thirties as IOTL), would be a better choice for a Southron Lenin than some Damnyankee agitator.

 

[RCAF Brat]

Debs wasn't a communist and he wasn't even a Socialist until the 1890's though.

He was a labour unionist at the time, and the UAS is centralized and rather authoritarian. (And has the Gilded Age on steroids.) Being exiled for holding more moderate beliefs could radicalize him. Not that the CSA was any better. (They had an All-American version of Apartheid going. Plus a 'Gilded Age' of their own. Things were really only going to end one way.)

And I really couldn't find anyone more suitable. The UWR isn't a direct copy of USSR anyways. (Debs would have to be more of a figurehead than a Lenin analogue.) OTOH TTL's Huey Long is basically an analogue of Stalin.

 

[Japhy]

Albert Parsons (assuming he isn't hung in his thirties as IOTL), would be a better choice for a Southron Lenin than some Damnyankee agitator.

I would definitely use Parsons over Debs, IMO.

Dixie isn't going to be the kind of place on its own where foreigners were going to have an easy time getting to the top, even with a Communist Revolution.

 

[Osk]

A look at my current TL as it should be by the end of the next update, slight spoiler.

A Different America

9/10: William Henry Harrison/John Tyler (Whig) 1841 - 1845
1840 def. Martin Van Buren/Vacant (Democrat)

10/11: Henry Clay/Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig) 1845 - 1849
1844 def.James Buchanan/James K. Polk (Democrat)
10/12: Henry Clay/Winfield Scott (Whig) 1849 - 1850
1848 def. Lewis Cass/William O. Butler (Democrat)

11/__: Winfield Scott/VACANT 1850-1853

12/13: Stephen Douglas/John A. Quitman (Whig) 1853 - 1861
1852 def. Daniel Webster/Abraham Lincoln (Whig) & Winfield Scott/John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1856 def. Thomas Corwin/Edward Everett (Whig) & George Law/Millard Fillmore (American) & John McLean/John C. Fremont (Anti-Slavers)

12/14: Stephen Douglas/John Bell(Democrat) 1861 - 1866
1860 def. Willaim H. Seward/Salmon P. Chase (Popular) & John A. Quitman/John C. Breckinridge (Southern Democrat)

 

[Noravea]

This is for a timeline I have planned soon.

Presidents of the Commonwealth of American States, the successor to the United States founded in 1894. It consists of the northern states that are to the east of the Mississippi, and is considered to be one of the two legitimate successors to the original United States (The other being the Confederate States). In 2011, the CAS was replaced with the Second American Republic (Republic of America).

Presidents of the Commonwealth of America (1897-2011)

1. Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive-New York): March 4, 1897- March 4, 1905
2. Eugene V. Debs (Socialist-Indiana): March 4, 1905- March 4, 1913
3. George Walbridge Perkins (Progressive-Illinois): March 4, 1913- March 4, 1917
4. Nelson A. Miles (Democratic-Massachusetts): March 4, 1917- March 4, 1925
5. William M. LaFollette, Sr. (Progressive-Wisconsin): March 4, 1925- June 18, 1925 [1]
6. Charles G. Dawes (Independent-Illinois): June 18, 1925- March 4, 1929
7. Frank Orren Lowden (Conservative-Illinois): March 4, 1929- March 4, 1933
8. James H. Maurer (Socialist-Pennsylvania): March 4, 1933- March 4, 1937
9. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic-New York): March 4, 1937- April 12, 1945 [2]
10. Paul V. McNutt (Democratic-Indiana): April 12, 1945- January 20, 1949
11. Thomas Dewey (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1949- January 20, 1957
12. Nelson A. Rockefeller (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1957- January 20, 1961
13. John F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts): January 20, 1961- January 20, 1969
14. George W. Romney (Conservative-Michigan): January 20, 1969- January 20, 1973
15. Edmund Muskie (Democratic-Maine): January 20, 1973- January 20, 1981
16. Gerald R. Ford (Conservative-Michigan): January 20, 1981- January 20, 1989
17. Michael Dukakis (Democratic-Massachusetts): January 20, 1989- January 20, 1993
18. Joe Biden (Democratic-Delaware): January 20, 1993- January 20, 1997
19. Colin Powell (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1997- January 20, 2005
20. James Matthias (Popular Front-Pennsylvania): January 20, 2005- October 19, 2011 [3]

[1] William LaFollette is the shortest serving President in American history.
[2] Died in the waning days of the Patriotic War. Is the longest serving President during the Commonwealth period.
[3] The last President of the Commonwealth period. A poor economy, corruption within his administration, and opposition from the Assembly and low approval ratings would lead to his resignation. The Commonwealth would be dissolved the same day.

This is a list of governments that occupies the territories...

First Republic of America (1894-1897)
Commonwealth of American States (1897-2011)
Second Republic of America (2011-Present)

 

[Japhy]

This is for a timeline I have planned soon.

5. William M. LaFollette, Sr. (Progressive-Wisconsin): March 4, 1925- June 18, 1925 [1]

Robert M. La Follette, Sr. Or I assume so, depending on what the POD is, his cousin was Congressmen William L. La Follette though...

I'd wonder if 1897 is too early to have a "Progressive" Political Party as the term really hadn't developed yet and wouldn't for a few more years but of course, things can change when the US collapses on itself and becomes a new nation.

Overall looks Interesting, I'd be very interested in reading the timeline.

 

[Noravea]

Robert M. La Follette, Sr. Or I assume so, depending on what the POD is, his cousin was Congressmen William L. La Follette though...

I'd wonder if 1897 is too early to have a "Progressive" Political Party as the term really hadn't developed yet and wouldn't for a few more years but of course, things can change when the US collapses on itself and becomes a new nation.

Overall looks Interesting, I'd be very interested in reading the timeline.

Thanks. If you're curious, the nation basically consists of New England, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin. There are a total of 17 states (It was founded with 15 of the states it currently has).

 

[The Uchronian]

Been a while since I posted here.

Well, I started working on my "A Nation, Divided" story again, and to renew interest in said TL, I thought I'd be generous and give out a little spoiler for you:

1796-1804: Thomas Jefferson (No Party, then Democratic-Republican)
1804-1808: John Adams (Federalist)
1808-1816: Aaron Burr (Federalist)
1816-1820: Andrew Jackson (Democratic-Republican)

Neat, huh? Ol' Hickory might just end up being the youngest President in this TL's history..... (P.S.: "A Nation, Divided, can be seen here. Just click the link! )

 

[Thande]

Robert M. La Follette, Sr. Or I assume so, depending on what the POD is, his cousin was Congressmen William L. La Follette though...

I'd wonder if 1897 is too early to have a "Progressive" Political Party as the term really hadn't developed yet and wouldn't for a few more years but of course, things can change when the US collapses on itself and becomes a new nation.

Overall looks Interesting, I'd be very interested in reading the timeline.

The term "Progressive Party" dates back to 1830 (albeit in a British reference) so I don't think it's a major issue to have it enter mainstream American political discourse as a buzzword a bit earlier.

 

[glenn67]

This is for a timeline I have planned soon.

Presidents of the Commonwealth of American States, the successor to the United States founded in 1894. It consists of the northern states that are to the east of the Mississippi, and is considered to be one of the two legitimate successors to the original United States (The other being the Confederate States). In 2011, the CAS was replaced with the Second American Republic (Republic of America).

Presidents of the Commonwealth of America (1897-2011)

1. Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive-New York): March 4, 1897- March 4, 1905
2. Eugene V. Debs (Socialist-Indiana): March 4, 1905- March 4, 1913
3. George Walbridge Perkins (Progressive-Illinois): March 4, 1913- March 4, 1917
4. Nelson A. Miles (Democratic-Massachusetts): March 4, 1917- March 4, 1925
5. William M. LaFollette, Sr. (Progressive-Wisconsin): March 4, 1925- June 18, 1925 [1]
6. Charles G. Dawes (Independent-Illinois): June 18, 1925- March 4, 1929
7. Frank Orren Lowden (Conservative-Illinois): March 4, 1929- March 4, 1933
8. James H. Maurer (Socialist-Pennsylvania): March 4, 1933- March 4, 1937
9. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic-New York): March 4, 1937- April 12, 1945 [2]
10. Paul V. McNutt (Democratic-Indiana): April 12, 1945- January 20, 1949
11. Thomas Dewey (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1949- January 20, 1957
12. Nelson A. Rockefeller (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1957- January 20, 1961
13. John F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts): January 20, 1961- January 20, 1969
14. George W. Romney (Conservative-Michigan): January 20, 1969- January 20, 1973
15. Edmund Muskie (Democratic-Maine): January 20, 1973- January 20, 1981
16. Gerald R. Ford (Conservative-Michigan): January 20, 1981- January 20, 1989
17. Michael Dukakis (Democratic-Massachusetts): January 20, 1989- January 20, 1993
18. Joe Biden (Democratic-Delaware): January 20, 1993- January 20, 1997
19. Colin Powell (Conservative-New York): January 20, 1997- January 20, 2005
20. James Matthias (Popular Front-Pennsylvania): January 20, 2005- October 19, 2011 [3]

[1] William LaFollette is the shortest serving President in American history.
[2] Died in the waning days of the Patriotic War. Is the longest serving President during the Commonwealth period.
[3] The last President of the Commonwealth period. A poor economy, corruption within his administration, and opposition from the Assembly and low approval ratings would lead to his resignation. The Commonwealth would be dissolved the same day.

This is a list of governments that occupies the territories...

First Republic of America (1894-1897)
Commonwealth of American States (1897-2011)
Second Republic of America (2011-Present)

Considering Noravea's track record on alternate history timelines, I look forward to this upcoming AH.

 

[CanadianTory]

Now THAT is going to be an awesome TL