WI Spartacus joins Sertorius in Spain?

In 72 BC Spartacus having defeated 2 consular armies and the army of Cassius Longinus Governor of Cisalpine Gaul thought of marching to Gaul and Spain where he would join forces with Quintus Sertorius... But his deal with the Cilician pirates (allies of Sertorius and had agreed to transport them in Gaul and Spain) fell out and chose to remain in Italy since Crassus with 8 Legions had blocked his northern passes...
WI Spartacus did passed to Spain and allied with Sertorius? Pompey would have had a hard time in Spain then... And if Sertorius with Spartacus help is successful can we see an early Emperor???
 
I think we got a little out of topic here...
Is there any possibilities for Sertorius to beat Pompeius in Spain with the help of Spartacus and Cilician pirates?
 
I think we got a little out of topic here...
Is there any possibilities for Sertorius to beat Pompeius in Spain with the help of Spartacus and Cilician pirates?


Yes, now seriously, the obvious hurdle for Spartacus is how he gets to Spain. So are you saying that the pirates keep to their part of the bargin?
 
Is there any possibilities for Sertorius to beat Pompeius in Spain with the help of Spartacus and Cilician pirates?
He did it already by himself, so adding Spartacus or pirates is unnecessary.

His problem was his subcommander that killed him at a banquet IIRC...
 
Well lets say that Sertorius survives the assassination attempt and joins forces with Spartacus... Is there any possibility that we can see Sertorius proclaiming himself Emperor???
 
Well lets say that Sertorius survives the assassination attempt and joins forces with Spartacus... Is there any possibility that we can see Sertorius proclaiming himself Emperor???


Well they still have to get together somehow. So how do they manage that considering there's a large body of water separating them...
 
Well lets say that Sertorius survives the assassination attempt and joins forces with Spartacus... Is there any possibility that we can see Sertorius proclaiming himself Emperor???
You can't proclaim yourself Emperor, but your troops can.

Anyway there was no concept of being Emperor as we know it at the time. The nearest one was king and one reason why Julius Caesar was assassinated was because some people thought he was going to try and be one. Octavian became Emperor more by the back door than charging in through the front.

If Sertorius is going to make a bid to become "First Citizen", he is going to have to take out Metellus then gain support in Rome. He is also going to have to take on Julius Caesar who was on the way up at the time.
 
Maybe we can see an early "Julius Caesar" character in Sertorius... He joins forces with Spartacus and beats Pompeius in Spain... He is foiling the assassination attempt against him and orchestrates the assassination of Metellus in Rome... while dispatching Spartacus in South Gaul threatening to invade Roman soil... Sertorius could force the Senate to proclaim him Dictator perpetuus... He could do the same thing as Octavian did... He doesnt have to abolish the Republic but concetrate all offices on his person...
 
Dealing with Spartacus (a slave and probably a deserter from Roman auxiliary forces) might be tricky given the Romans' notions of dignitas.
 
Dealing with Spartacus (a slave and probably a deserter from Roman auxiliary forces) might be tricky given the Romans' notions of dignitas.

True, especially since if he wants to become emperor, he needs to get the people on his side, and who is going to like him is he allies with the slaves who just ravaged italy?
 
Originally posted by Mars
True, especially since if he wants to become emperor, he needs to get the people on his side, and who is going to like him is he allies with the slaves who just ravaged italy?
OK, and WI Sertorius proclaimed himself ruler of Spain? King, empreror, first citizen...whatever. Then he could have be quite happy about Spartacus coming with thousands of experienced fighters.
Of course, it would have been hard to convince other Romans is Sertorius' camp, but Spaniards supported Sertorius, and together with Spartacus Sertorious might have had a chance to make a succesful stand against Romans. If he also found some allies in Gaul and Northern Africa...
Problem is, he would have fought together with barbarians and slaves against Rome...And Sertorius was Roman himself, after all. However, his personal ambition and self-preservation instinct might have triumphed over his patriotism.
 
Perhaps Sertorius can play "Iran-Contra" with the Roman government and Spartacus--aid both sides as needed to strengthen his own position.

If Sertorius is like most Romans of his time, he's not going to want to deal with slaves and barbarians, at least if he can help it, but I don't think he's dumb enough to pass up useful allies. I would also suspect he wouldn't want to burn his bridges with Rome itself.
 
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