AH Challenge: Hungarian Texas
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Rockingham
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The hungarian tribes reach france and create the, or one of the kingdom of hungary their(or at least a hungarian kingdom, their may be several). They retain control, and given the fractured lingual nature of France at the time, are able to centralize it so that hungary becomes dominant language.
This is ASBish but not so much as a hungarian texas once they've settled down in balkans.
Yay!Hungary wank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is ASBish but not so much as a hungarian texas once they've settled down in balkans.
Yay!Hungary wank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OK, this is probably a nonsense.
The challenge is to make Texas (or the territory now known as Texas) an Hungarian colony (or Austro-Hungarian, but it's better if it is only Hungarian).
I don't care about the year and that stuff.
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The Ottomans crush Vienna in the first battle and go on to conquer the rest of Europe. New World is then used as place for undesirables, with undesirables from former kingdom of Hungary being exiled to what OTL would be Texas.
What part of squished like a bug for two hundred years is that difficult to understand?
how bout hungary pwns napoleon, and france(plus luisiana) is under hungarian control. they invade new spain and texas is hungarian. another (less likely) idy, is that the vikings mae an alliance with the magyars, and uber pwn native americans. and they divide n. america. the vkings get territory north of the ohio, and the magyars south. then, the norwigians realize they got gypped, they invade the misisip', and ship make the misisipi magyars thralls. how bout them apples!
ninebucks
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The Frankish peoples never unite under a common interest, as such, no Germanic elite arises in northern Gaul, instead, the centre of power remains in the increasingly Romanised south.
The Roman Empire collapses, a few decades later than OTL, and northern Gaul becomes a patchwork of small, tribal states. While southern Gaul eventually becomes a centralised kingdom.
Following the Islamic conquest of Spain, the Kingdom of Gaul starts to become increasingly Gothicised. However, this is not a smooth time for Gaul, and much of the earlier centralising work is undone by warlords.
Meanwhile, the Magyars have spent the past few centuries gradually migrating further into Central Europe.
Around the dawn of the 2nd millenium, the Magyars convert to Catholicism, and, through a series of pious leaders, their relationship with the papacy becomes increasingly tight.
1100s: The King of the Magyars, (who has by now settled his people along the southern Rhine), is declared Emperor of the Christians (TTL equivilant of Holy Roman Emperor).
1200s: The small states of northern Gaul, who had previously owed vassalage to numerous surrounding states, begin to pledge themselves to the Christian Emperor.
Mid-1300s: A dynastic union merges the Kingdom of Gaul with the Christian Empire of Magyarland. Aside from this, the Empire held vassalage from the English Channel to northern Spain and Italy.
1400s: A reforming Emperor seeks to centralise his Empire, essentially annexing the formerly independent vassals into one Empire, which now controls most of Western Europe. A new system of aristocratic governorates is established, many new governors are recruited from throughout Europe, (from Poland, from Sicilia, from Scotland, from Romania... a wide number of states, whose only similarity is their alliance with the Empire).
1500s: The Christian Empire of Magyar-Gallica patronises a renown explorer to sail West to find a trade route to Asia. The explorer discovers Újguilágge, (the New World). The Empire begins sending Konkvisztádors (conquerors) to Újguilágge.
In a Europe where dynasticism rules absolutely, the Empire's ability to grant deeds of land to powerful nobles was invaluable. The weak German states to the Empire's east were weakened furthermore when the German kinds discovered that many of their barons on the ground had been bribed with Újguilággean lands.
However, aristocrats from within the Empire formed the plurality of the colonising interests.
One such colonial barony belonged to the Guerbőczy family. Their colony was established on the western shore of the OTL Gulf of Mexico. The colony was named Tészág, because it was believed that the colony's climate would be ideal for the growing of a Chinese plant known as Té, (which could be brewed to create a beverage which was particularly popular in the Imperial courts).
In the late 1600s, a religious revolution took place in north-eastern Europe. Theologians, aswell as local people, became increasingly annoyed by the constant meddling of the theocratic Christian Empire of Magyar-Gallica. Catholic, pro-Imperial lords attempted to crush the so-called heresies. This began to cause a great deal of conflict around Europe and so, the period of peace that the Christian Empire had resided over for the past 200 years began to collapse.
The 18th and 19th Centuries were defined by their almost constant warfare. Great powers arose, (notably the Netherleague, the Commonwealth of Great Britain and the Russian Empire), and, great powers fell. Following a series of devastating losses, the Christian Empire was disbanded - its successor states were Britténig, the Republic of Magyarland, and the Kingdom of Gaul. Following the collapse, the Kingdom of Iberia pushed its frontiers up to the Pyrenees, and the Kingdom of Italy expanded up to the Alps.
Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, the Americas have been left much less united than in OTL. Several dozen states exist in North America alone, many with different languages.
Among them, the Republic of Tészág. A secular republic (who's people are predominantly non-Catholic Christians). The primary language in the republic is Magyar, but there are significant Gallic and Hispanic minorities.
The Roman Empire collapses, a few decades later than OTL, and northern Gaul becomes a patchwork of small, tribal states. While southern Gaul eventually becomes a centralised kingdom.
Following the Islamic conquest of Spain, the Kingdom of Gaul starts to become increasingly Gothicised. However, this is not a smooth time for Gaul, and much of the earlier centralising work is undone by warlords.
Meanwhile, the Magyars have spent the past few centuries gradually migrating further into Central Europe.
Around the dawn of the 2nd millenium, the Magyars convert to Catholicism, and, through a series of pious leaders, their relationship with the papacy becomes increasingly tight.
1100s: The King of the Magyars, (who has by now settled his people along the southern Rhine), is declared Emperor of the Christians (TTL equivilant of Holy Roman Emperor).
1200s: The small states of northern Gaul, who had previously owed vassalage to numerous surrounding states, begin to pledge themselves to the Christian Emperor.
Mid-1300s: A dynastic union merges the Kingdom of Gaul with the Christian Empire of Magyarland. Aside from this, the Empire held vassalage from the English Channel to northern Spain and Italy.
1400s: A reforming Emperor seeks to centralise his Empire, essentially annexing the formerly independent vassals into one Empire, which now controls most of Western Europe. A new system of aristocratic governorates is established, many new governors are recruited from throughout Europe, (from Poland, from Sicilia, from Scotland, from Romania... a wide number of states, whose only similarity is their alliance with the Empire).
1500s: The Christian Empire of Magyar-Gallica patronises a renown explorer to sail West to find a trade route to Asia. The explorer discovers Újguilágge, (the New World). The Empire begins sending Konkvisztádors (conquerors) to Újguilágge.
In a Europe where dynasticism rules absolutely, the Empire's ability to grant deeds of land to powerful nobles was invaluable. The weak German states to the Empire's east were weakened furthermore when the German kinds discovered that many of their barons on the ground had been bribed with Újguilággean lands.
However, aristocrats from within the Empire formed the plurality of the colonising interests.
One such colonial barony belonged to the Guerbőczy family. Their colony was established on the western shore of the OTL Gulf of Mexico. The colony was named Tészág, because it was believed that the colony's climate would be ideal for the growing of a Chinese plant known as Té, (which could be brewed to create a beverage which was particularly popular in the Imperial courts).
In the late 1600s, a religious revolution took place in north-eastern Europe. Theologians, aswell as local people, became increasingly annoyed by the constant meddling of the theocratic Christian Empire of Magyar-Gallica. Catholic, pro-Imperial lords attempted to crush the so-called heresies. This began to cause a great deal of conflict around Europe and so, the period of peace that the Christian Empire had resided over for the past 200 years began to collapse.
The 18th and 19th Centuries were defined by their almost constant warfare. Great powers arose, (notably the Netherleague, the Commonwealth of Great Britain and the Russian Empire), and, great powers fell. Following a series of devastating losses, the Christian Empire was disbanded - its successor states were Britténig, the Republic of Magyarland, and the Kingdom of Gaul. Following the collapse, the Kingdom of Iberia pushed its frontiers up to the Pyrenees, and the Kingdom of Italy expanded up to the Alps.
Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, the Americas have been left much less united than in OTL. Several dozen states exist in North America alone, many with different languages.
Among them, the Republic of Tészág. A secular republic (who's people are predominantly non-Catholic Christians). The primary language in the republic is Magyar, but there are significant Gallic and Hispanic minorities.
Grey Wolf
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I would go with Charles V's Habsburg Empire staying united longer and only dissolving later into its constituent kingdoms - by then you may well have got people from Austria and Hungary in the New World once the Castilian monopoly is broken. When the Empire finally is divided, each of the constituent kingdoms gets a share of the colonies, and Hungary is created as a separate independent kingdom to Austria and gets Texas as part of the bargain (since Croatia is part of the Kingdom of Hungary it gets a coast to make this feasible)
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Grey Wolf
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Grey Wolf
Nice.
Except...
Without Carolignians, you will have different integration pattern amongst Slavs, who may not fall to in-fighting at the time opportune for Magyars. Also Burgunds may be bit peeved about Hungarians trying to settle at upper Rhine. And pope? What pope? You mean bishop of Rome? Why would Lombard stooge do something like that?
EDIT: Grey Wolf- You mean at the time that over half of Hungarian lands are de facto Ottoman?
Except...
Without Carolignians, you will have different integration pattern amongst Slavs, who may not fall to in-fighting at the time opportune for Magyars. Also Burgunds may be bit peeved about Hungarians trying to settle at upper Rhine. And pope? What pope? You mean bishop of Rome? Why would Lombard stooge do something like that?
EDIT: Grey Wolf- You mean at the time that over half of Hungarian lands are de facto Ottoman?
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Grey Wolf
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Well, I meant that the Habsburg empire continued intact for a couple of centuries, so it would perhaps be in the mid eighteenth century that the break-up occurs, so that by then all of Hungary has been more or less regained from the Ottomans
It could even BE the straw that breaks the camel's back, perhaps, having a whole load of Hungary to rule puts too much pressure on an empire that has held together only via Regents until this point, and its decided to share it out amongst the males of the Habsburg line, one to Spain, one to the Netherlands, one to Austria and one to Hungary
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Grey Wolf
no one read my post
but when you think about it, hungry looks like texas. (at least to a appalachian-easteren greenhorn whose idy of a plain is a place where you don't need hiking boots to get ur mail) but cereally, there both medium sized flat land with good grazing. ( my knowlage of this is based from westerns, and somthing i read in Nat. geo on the magyars)
but when you think about it, hungry looks like texas. (at least to a appalachian-easteren greenhorn whose idy of a plain is a place where you don't need hiking boots to get ur mail
) but cereally, there both medium sized flat land with good grazing. ( my knowlage of this is based from westerns, and somthing i read in Nat. geo on the magyars)Leopold of Austria does give his invitation to the Serbs and ethnic groups of the Balkans and they flee into the Kingdom of Hungary, but the Catholic native Hungarians and the Orthodox Serbs and other Balkans groups are not getting along as the catholics forcibly convert them. The Serbs and other groups threaten to form a seperate territory in Baja. To avail this, the Emperor of the Habsburg Monarchy goes to Spain and buys the territory of "Texas" from Spain then funding/urging and in some cases by Hungary, deporting the Serbs and others to Texas which does fall under Hungarian administration but leaves the Serbs largely in charge.
I think there is a reasonable situation that no one here is thinking about. It all starts with 1863 with Maximilian I becoming the emperor of Mexico. Now the POD is that when the USA and CSA both supplied arms to Mexican Republican Guerrillas, Maximilian used this as a casus belli to declare war on both the Union and confederacy and promised his Mexican subjects that he would return to them the land lost by Santa Anna in 1848. This promise would then rally the Mexican people to his side and because of the US Civil War the Americans wold be unable to work together to stop Maximilian's armies and would reconquer the South Western US including Texas.
Maximillian's problem now was that while most of his new territories were sparsely populated, his Texan subjects were still mostly Americans. On he would need to replace them with a loyal population. As an Austrian, he turned to his bother the Austrian Emperor Franz Josef who was more that willing to allow the hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who had recently been so troublesome. So instead of granting them the dual monarchy (that would have appeared in 1867 in our timeline) he shipped them off to colonize Texas. These Hungarians, with their Magyar tradition as a nomadic people, proved to be exceptional cowboys and the cattle industry flourished . As the 19th century drew on and as Hungarians moved to the new world, instead of travelling to the US and New York, the Most common destination was Texas where a vibrant community emerged lending loyal support to Maximilian's Mexican Empire.
Maximillian's problem now was that while most of his new territories were sparsely populated, his Texan subjects were still mostly Americans. On he would need to replace them with a loyal population. As an Austrian, he turned to his bother the Austrian Emperor Franz Josef who was more that willing to allow the hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who had recently been so troublesome. So instead of granting them the dual monarchy (that would have appeared in 1867 in our timeline) he shipped them off to colonize Texas. These Hungarians, with their Magyar tradition as a nomadic people, proved to be exceptional cowboys and the cattle industry flourished . As the 19th century drew on and as Hungarians moved to the new world, instead of travelling to the US and New York, the Most common destination was Texas where a vibrant community emerged lending loyal support to Maximilian's Mexican Empire.