1849: The United Federal Confederation of Germany

1850: The United Constitutional Kingdom of Germany

This thread inspired me to complete the idea for Germany:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=36830

According to history, Germany had a chance to become fully united 20 years earlier in its history. And such a Germany would have been more democratic than it would later become in 1871.

According to Wikipedia:
"Following Napoleon's fall and the end of the Confederation of the Rhine, the Congress of Vienna convened in 1814 in order to restructure Europe. In Germany, the German Confederation was founded, a loose league of 39 sovereign states. Disagreement with the restoration politics partly led to the lifestyle called Biedermeier and to intellectual liberal movements, which demanded unity and freedom during the Vormärz epoch, each followed by a measure of Metternich's repression of liberal agitation. The Zollverein, a tariff union, profoundly furthered economic unity in the German states.
The German people had been stirred by the ideals of the French revolution. On October 18, 1817, students held a gathering to exchange ideas, the high point of which was the burning of works by authors like August von Kotzebue, who were against a united German state. A second such meeting attracted 30,000 people from all social classes and from all regions to the Hambacher celebration. There for the first time, the colours of black, red and gold were chosen to represent the movement, which later became the national colours.
The states were also shaped by the Industrial Revolution, which was the initial step of the growing industrialisation in Europe and contributed to a wave of poverty, causing social uprisings. In light of a series of evolutionary movements in Europe, which in France successfully established a republic, intellectuals and common people started the Revolutions of 1848 in the German states. The monarchs initially yielded to the revolutionaries' liberal demands, and an intellectual National Assembly was elected to draw up a constitution for the new Germany, completed in 1849. However, the Prussian king Frederick William IV, who was offered the title of Emperor but with a loss of power, rejected the crown and the constitution. This prompted the demise of the national assembly along with most of the changes from the revolution."

What if it didn't happen this way? What if King Frederick William IV accepted the crown and constitution and Germany had become a fully united national state in 1850? What would become of future wars and European history after that?:D :cool:

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My ideas for PODS: First of all, you'd need more chaos in Europe. Maybe a more violent polish uprising in the Russian Congress Poland, with the more nationalist Prussian Poles traveling there to help.
Hungary under Kossuth manages to completely split from Austria, essentially bringing the Habsburg empire to an end (which subsequentally loses most of its Italian possession as later OTL).
Because of this, the Slav conferency is a dismal failure, Czechs and (Prussian) Poles send delegates to the Frankfurt assembly where they agree to be part of Germany for minority rights (schools and laws in their own languages and German). With such an offer, the Frankfurt Assembly does not muck around as long as it did OTL about who should be part of the new Germany and who not (which, ultimately, caused it to fail) and offers Frederick Wilhelm IV. the crown in late 1848, when the counterrevolution has not been as successful yet. He accepts.
The German-Danish war sees the formation of the first German army of the second empire and subsequently ends early, with Germany gobbling up Schleswig and Holstein as new states*.
When the dust settles and the other countries are able to function again, there is something new in the middle of Europe: a Germany truly stretching "von der Maas bis an die Memel, von dem Etsch bis an den Belt"* and a greater Hungarian republic including all of Galicia and Croatia.

Depending on how the other countries react, there might be a war pretty soon.

(*Interesting point: Both Luxembourg and Limbourg are afaik members of the German Union, so could be included in the new German empire, giving the Kingdom of the Netherlands a voice in the parliament. I think this is a rather unstable situation: either one or both of these regions break off their ties with Germany or the Netherlands, or the Netherlands fully join the German empire. I find the last option the least likely, however.)
 
Another reason for delay was the difficulties to agree on the right form of government.

Quite a few people would have preferred a republic (similar to Switzerland).

A decisive and fast decision in this direction might have been more bloody at the beginning (both due to a monarchy/republic split and maybe some outside intervention), but would probably have meant a Germany without the rather useless militarist phase inbetween.
 
As already written you'd need a LOT of chaos in Europe to get to this result. If not there would be a lot of forces trying not to let this happen.
At least you'd need Austria to be out of the picture for this to pass and thus have Russia penned down in Austria-Hungary, putting down the uprising and not being able to support the old system of preserving the peace and ruling class.
So go on with some more thoughts on this.
 
But the conditions of his becoming Kaiser in 1850 is different here than in 1871. It is by cooperation instead of conquest that unity is created.:D :cool:
 

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Of course, one must wonder what happens when all of their neighbors invade in the hopes of stamping out the dangerous liberal sentiment before it infects their own populations. On the one hand, it will help the unification; on the other, assuming that Germany survives the onslaught, they might want to settle the score with said neighbors.

Also, would this produce a similar movement in Italy?
 
Germany would survive the onslaught. The Prussian military is first rate.;)

And yes, Italy might be affected by this as early in her history.:cool:

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arctic warrior said:
As already written you'd need a LOT of chaos in Europe to get to this result. If not there would be a lot of forces trying not to let this happen.
At least you'd need Austria to be out of the picture for this to pass and thus have Russia penned down in Austria-Hungary, putting down the uprising and not being able to support the old system of preserving the peace and ruling class.
So go on with some more thoughts on this.

If Prussia gets behind the move to create a liberal unified Germany, then it's quite likely to happen. The Hapsburgs couldn't even hold their empire together without Russian help, and the Russians are busy in Hungary.
 
The Sandman said:
Of course, one must wonder what happens when all of their neighbors invade in the hopes of stamping out the dangerous liberal sentiment before it infects their own populations. On the one hand, it will help the unification; on the other, assuming that Germany survives the onslaught, they might want to settle the score with said neighbors.

Also, would this produce a similar movement in Italy?

The neighboring monarchs were at this point holding onto their thrones by the skin of their teeth--in fact, early in the period, most of them had been driven out of their capitals and only later realized that they still had their army.

Good point about their neighbors--the newly-unified Germany might desire to further unite the population by joining the Hungarians in feasting on the corpse of Austria-Hungary if the A-Hs interfere.
 
Would an earlier unified Germany destabilize the Austrian Empire through its liberalization causing its downfall and the destruction of the European monarchies?:eek: :cool:
 

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Kaiser James I said:
But that would be another thread.
True, but it could be a part of this one if, as you suggest, Frederick Wiliam IV of Prussia accepts the crown as Emperor of the Germans. Logically, William I of Prussia and Frederick III of Prussia would later be EotG's.
 
Yes, they would all become Kaiser.

And perhaps, with all the reforms over the next 50-60 years, by the time WWI rolls around, Germany would be more like and allied to Great Britain.:D :cool: Would WWI even happen then?
 
How might this alter the "Scramble for Africa"? OTL's division conference had been in Berlin, but with the potential for a different Germany, taking colonies may not be a goal.
 
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