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[Qazaq2007]

Here's another patch showing the provisional split of the Korean Peninsula, showing the DPRK/ROK border as a dotted line running along the 38th parallel across the middle of the peninsula. Of course you could look at that dotted line as a demarcation between Soviet and American occupation zones.

[Qazaq2007]

Here's another version of the patch showing the occupation zones in Korea using the same convention that I have used in Germany/Austria.

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Where did you find that map, and where is the rest of it?

http://www.jstor.org/stable/210882

See below and the following 2 posts.

I have shown the situation in China as of mid 1948, but the extent of the Julian March I have shown is only approximate.

To my knowledge it stretched to and included Rijeka, though most of its territory was under Yugoslav administration.

As for the Korean Peninsula, I have shown it as a single nation, due to the fact that the DPRK/ROK split didn't take place until 1949, and you did request a 1948 map.

Well, now that I think about it I don't actually need it.

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

The rest of Siberia:

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

And the key:

[Morgan Hauser]

Originally Posted by Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy

Thank you, Qazaq. That will come in handy. Without belittling your work, there are a few corrections that I have to suggest:

Belittle? Apologies to Qazaq then if I came off as dismissive in my earlier comment. I was being sincere when I complimented your cartographic skills.

Think I need to rephrase my language.

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

Originally Posted by Morgan Hauser

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Who are you again?

[Qazaq2007]

@Dr. Pervez Hoodbay,
I think we got our wires crossed, I was taking about the situation I was depicting in China, and you were refering to the Trieste Free State, which you thought was the Julian March, my bad. The borders for the Trieste Free State are correct, for the TFS did not extend as far as Rijeka/Fiume. The TFS existed separate from both Yugoslavia and Italy from 1947 to 1954, when the northern half containing the city of Trieste was assigned to Italy, and the southern half was assigned to Yugoslavia. BTW, Thanks for posting the remaining sections of the USSR map, and key. Even though you said you didn't need the Korean Peninsula patch, you may want to use them at some point in a TL that includes a different varient on the Korean war, who knows.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Morgan Hauser

Belittle? Apologies to Qazaq then if I came off as dismissive in my earlier comment. I was being sincere when I complimented your cartographic skills.

Think I need to rephrase my language.

Not a problem, no offense taken.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Morgan Hauser

@ Qazaq:

Good map. One point though: it wouldn't be correct to display Japan as an independent power in 1948. It was under American military occupation until 1952 after all, while the Ryuku islands were under their direct administration as a seperate entity until as late as 1972.

Indonesia was also in the middle of the National Revolution against the Dutch colonial authorities, so some changes should be made there as well. Different parts of the country were under either Indonesian republican or Dutch governmental control.

I didn't have the info or maps handy in regards to the situation in the Dutch East Indies/Indonesia in 1948,so I opted to keep it simple, and still show it as Dutch territory, but who knows may add that info to the map later when I come across it. Here's a patch showing Japan under US occupation using the same convention I used in Germany/Austria, saves me from reposting the entire map again.

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

@Dr. Pervez Hoodbay,
I think we got our wires crossed, I was taking about the situation I was depicting in China, and you were refering to the Trieste Free State, which you thought was the Julian March, my bad. The borders for the Trieste Free State are correct, for the TFS did not extend as far as Rijeka/Fiume. The TFS existed separate from both Yugoslavia and Italy from 1947 to 1954, when the northern half containing the city of Trieste was assigned to Italy, and the southern half was assigned to Yugoslavia.

That was my bad, I didn't realize that by 1948 the Julian March had been abolished, with most of its territory going to Yugoslavia and the rest forming the Free Territory of Trieste.

BTW, Thanks for posting the remaining sections of the USSR map, and key.

I hope you can make use of it.

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

@Dr. Pervez Hoodboy,
Here's the key that goes w/ the maps. The Italian colonies in Africa, although at the time of the map were under British and French administration in the case of Libya, and British administration in the case of Eritrea, and the southern 2/3rds of Somalia are outlined in Italian brown to denote that they are still technically Italian colonial possessions.

Q. I may be wrong, but didn't Italy give up her claims to her pre-WWII colonies as part of the 1947 peace treaty?

Actually, I found the treaty and they did. See: http://www.istrianet.org/istria/hist...eaty-italy.htm

Skip to Section IV, Article 23.

That should simplify your map.

In the former Italian Somaliland though, Italy was brought back in as the UN Trust Territory administrator in 1950 but I don't think that was related (or completely related) to the 1947 peace treaty.

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

I didn't have the info or maps handy in regards to the situation in the Dutch East Indies/Indonesia in 1948,so I opted to keep it simple, and still show it as Dutch territory, but who knows may add that info to the map later when I come across it. Here's a patch showing Japan under US occupation using the same convention I used in Germany/Austria, saves me from reposting the entire map again.

Well ask and you shall receive:



It's from this site on Indonesian history: http://www.gimonca.com/sejarah/sejarah08.shtml

You can apply the information any way you want, but my understanding is that the "negaras" were states which were formed (or supported after being independently founded) by the Dutch (and which basically accepted Dutch control) while the area under Dutch military occupation had originally been part of the original Republic of Indonesia. Other areas under Dutch control never declared themselves to be new states or negaras or to be completely independent from the Dutch like the Republic.

By the way, if you are going to edit the East Indies, would you change northern Borneo to show Sarwak separate from British North Borneo (which is now Sabah and the federal territory of Labuan)? At the time they weren't merged.

Oh and if you desire you could show the BCOF zone in Japan, although in Japan the occupation structure was different with MacArthur being supreme commander/administrator and the Australian commander of the BCOF zone being a local administrator who would have to follow directives from MacArthur's headquarters. The BCOF zone included Shikoku island and the Chugoku region of Honshu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABgoku_region).

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy

That was my bad, I didn't realize that by 1948 the Julian March had been abolished, with most of its territory going to Yugoslavia and the rest forming the Free Territory of Trieste.



I hope you can make use of it.

Not a problem, man, we live and learn.

[Qazaq2007]

@Chris S,
Thanks for the Indonesia map, will add that info to my map. Also thanks for the link pertaining to the status of Italy's pre WW2 colonies as it was post WW2. That is why I had Italian brown outlining the colonies while I had the interiors colored in the color of the countries actually administering the colonies. The brown outline can be easily removed w/o messing up the map, just eyedropper the interior color and apply it to the outline to make it disappear.

[Imperator Frank]

I don't know if this could be useful or not.

[Qazaq2007]

Here's my 1948 OW BAM, w/ a few somethings changed and added. I have depicted the situation in Indonesia/Dutch East Indies, as well as removing the Italian brown outline from Italy's former African colonies. I haven't added the BCOF zone in occupied Japan yet, for I am still deciding on how I am going to show it.

[Qazaq2007]

And here's the updated key to the map, explaining the coloration in Indonesia/Dutch East Indies.

[Qazaq2007]

CRAP!!! Just realized I forgot to fix Japan on the map before reposting it again, after editing the Indonesian archipelago. Oh, well shi'ite happens! Just use the US occupied Japan patch, and patch it to the map if need be. Still need to fix Japan on the main map, though.

[Qazaq2007]

Here's a Dutch East Indies patch, w/ a modified color scheme. Changed the color of the Dutch created Indonesian states to an orange brown, and the Dutch military occupation zone on Java uses the same convention as used in Germany/Austria. Also added rough maritime borders between major political entities.

[Qazaq2007]

Here's the modified part of the map key to go w/ the changed color scheme in the Dutch East Indies patch.