The NEW Our TimeLine Maps Thread!

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Excellent work as usual KT.

By the way you (or anyone else) wouldn't happen to have a map of the planned partition of Portugal according to the Treaty of Fontainebleau? Especially one in the same format as big Europe map? (Yes I know not quite OTL map, but then it was a planned map from OTL....)

Actually yes I have let me find it and I post it.

[Knight Templar]

Here it is, sorry that it isn't bigger.

[Chris S]

Thanks KT!

Where did you find info about the proposed eastern borders of the Kingdom of Northern Lusitania? From what I've read, I always thought the entire length of the Douro River would form the southern border of Lusitania and the northern border to the rump Kingdom of Portugal.

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Thanks KT!

Where did you find info about the proposed eastern borders of the Kingdom of Northern Lusitania? From what I've read, I always thought the entire length of the Douro River would form the southern border of Lusitania and the northern border to the rump Kingdom of Portugal.

Based on the first article of the agreement, the King of Etruria was granted, in exchange for Tuscany, Portuguese territories between the Minho River and the Douro River. That's what wikipedia sais and that's roughly the stretch of the Minho river
On the 1812 map I posted you can se a little province in that place The treaty mentions this province as the only part of Lusitania. Here's a link to the treaty http://books.google.com/books?id=BrI...search_r&cad=1
sorry if the post look weird or any misspellings i'm posting this from My phone.

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Based on the first article of the agreement, the King of Etruria was granted, in exchange for Tuscany, Portuguese territories between the Minho River and the Douro River. That's what wikipedia sais and that's roughly the stretch of the Minho river
On the 1812 map I posted you can se a little province in that place The treaty mentions this province as the only part of Lusitania. Here's a link to the treaty http://books.google.com/books?id=BrI...search_r&cad=1
sorry if the post look weird or any misspellings i'm posting this from My phone.

Well if that western/coastal province between the Minho and Douro is the only part of Portugal mention in the proposed Lusitania then the former King of Etruria was being robbed! That makes Northern Lusitania smaller than I thought it was - interesting indeed.

Thanks for the link to the treaty, since it is in Spanish I had to use a translation site. So yeah, it seems those three provinces (Beira, Tras-os-Montes and Estremadura north of the Tagus) would be left in Portugal and basically held captive in exchange for Gibraltar (or some other British-captured Spanish territory) later. So would that mean that once the British handed over Gibraltar then the French and Spanish were to cease occupying rump-Portugal and that this rump-Portugal could have a return of the Portuguese monarchy in Brazil and return to it's old ways with the alliance with the UK?

[Maharajah]

Another thing that is often missed in Napoleonic victory maps is the fact that the Kingdom of Italy was to be granted Illyria, Naples, and Sicily after a general peace prevailed throughout Europe.

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Maharajah

Another thing that is often missed in Napoleonic victory maps is the fact that the Kingdom of Italy was to be granted Illyria, Naples, and Sicily after a general peace prevailed throughout Europe.

Interesting. But what of Sardinia and the French-annexed area around Rome?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Thanks KT!

Where did you find info about the proposed eastern borders of the Kingdom of Northern Lusitania? From what I've read, I always thought the entire length of the Douro River would form the southern border of Lusitania and the northern border to the rump Kingdom of Portugal.

The article 3 of the Treaty of Fountainbleau (here in Portuguese) states that the provinces of Beira, Trás-os-Montes and Portuguese Estremadura would stay under French tutelage, and could be returned to the Portuguese Royal Family upon a general peace agreement between France's Continental System and Britain's Third Coalition over the return of several territories.
I hope this can help.

[Maharajah]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Interesting. But what of Sardinia and the French-annexed area around Rome?

Well, I know that the other French lands in Italy were to remain part of the French Empire, but I'm not sure about Sardinia. I suppose it was to be independent.

Here's where I got my info:

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/fran...leon.htm#italy

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by Archangel

The article 3 of the Treaty of Fountainbleau (here in Portuguese) states that the provinces of Beira, Trás-os-Montes and Portuguese Estremadura would stay under French tutelage, and could be returned to the Portuguese Royal Family upon a general peace agreement between France's Continental System and Britain's Third Coalition over the return of several territories.
I hope this can help.

Interesting...
Edit: I remember reading somewhere that Napoleon would annex all Spanish land to the river Ebro.

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Interesting...
Edit: I remember reading somewhere that Napoleon would annex all Spanish land to the river Ebro.

Well I think the Ebro does form the southwestern border of Catalonia and Napoleon annexed that.

I would imagine that any annexation plans for all of Spain north and east of the Ebro probably developed after 1808 when he invaded Spain and Spain turned from ally (during the Treaty of Fontainebleau to partition Portugal) to occupied area.

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Well I think the Ebro does form the southwestern border of Catalonia and Napoleon annexed that.

I would imagine that any annexation plans for all of Spain north and east of the Ebro probably developed after 1808 when he invaded Spain and Spain turned from ally (during the Treaty of Fontainebleau to partition Portugal) to occupied area.

I think so, yes.

[Lord Sander]

Truly Qazaq has surpassed me.
I award him the Imperial Cross for Uber-Awesome Mapmaking

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Lord Sander

Truly Qazaq has surpassed me.
I award him the Imperial Cross for Uber-Awesome Mapmaking

Why, thank you, man. (Tip my hat and bow before you.) I always thought your maps were pretty kewl, and you do really good work.

[Nicksplace27]

Does anyone have an OTL map of the world set just before the Nine Years War, circa 1688?

[Communist Wizard]

Simply for reference.

[Valdemar II]

Europe 1814

[Susano]

Nice! Small nitpicks: It appears Prussia hasnt regained Neuchatel yet, and the southern two of the three Prussian exclaves in Thuringia should be Russian, too. (and the territory north of the westernmost one coloured Hesse-Kassel). Speaking of Thuringia, Saxe-Meiningen and Saxe-Römhildshausen werent united yet, so that southern longdrawn territory shouldnt yet exist... And, oh, if Tuscany is coloured an Austrian vasall so should Modena, both were Habsburg secundogenitures. But as said, those are nitpicks. Overall, its an excellent transplantation of that IEG map!

[Communist Wizard]

Also, does anyone have a map of the HRE with all the little statelets? At the 'height' of it's divisiiveness... so not the much simpler post-Napoleonic Germany, but rather the mess that came before...

[Valdemar II]

Originally Posted by Susano

Nice! Small nitpicks: It appears Prussia hasnt regained Neuchatel yet, and the southern two of the three Prussian exclaves in Thuringia should be Russian, too. (and the territory north of the westernmost one coloured Hesse-Kassel). Speaking of Thuringia, Saxe-Meiningen and Saxe-Römhildshausen werent united yet, so that southern longdrawn territory shouldnt yet exist... And, oh, if Tuscany is coloured an Austrian vasall so should Modena, both were Habsburg secundogenitures. But as said, those are nitpicks. Overall, its an excellent transplantation of that IEG map!

Thanks, I have changed it.