AHC: German Iceland
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Actually I think that's quite simple:
POD: Second Schleswig War.
Bismark is more in favour of colonialism, or the Kaiser is and forces him to get Iceland to help pursue that aim. Germany gets Iceland in the Treaty of Vienna, and manages to help onto it and it becomes a key base for German naval operations in the Atlantic.
The main problem is holding onto it though. So lets assume that the butterflies from this event emmanate in such a way that Germany wins the equivalent of WW1, or Britain just doesn't enter (and neither does the US) so Germany might have the island occupied but still has it after the War. You now have Germany still a world power, had control for 50 years, and unlikely to lose it, and very likely to consider it too strategically important to let it have independence. Does that fit your criteria?
POD: Second Schleswig War.
Bismark is more in favour of colonialism, or the Kaiser is and forces him to get Iceland to help pursue that aim. Germany gets Iceland in the Treaty of Vienna, and manages to help onto it and it becomes a key base for German naval operations in the Atlantic.
The main problem is holding onto it though. So lets assume that the butterflies from this event emmanate in such a way that Germany wins the equivalent of WW1, or Britain just doesn't enter (and neither does the US) so Germany might have the island occupied but still has it after the War. You now have Germany still a world power, had control for 50 years, and unlikely to lose it, and very likely to consider it too strategically important to let it have independence. Does that fit your criteria?
Britain and France would never let Germany take over Iceland without a fight ... its to strategicly important, in terms of getting a naval base ... that knowledge was also the reason why William II in the aftermatch of the second Scheswig war, declined the Danish Kings offer of vassalage
Prussia making suggestions about getting any of the danish colonies would be a surefire way to invite a war of intervenience from a France/UK allience, aiming to either beat Prussia back to square one, or spilting up the colonies between them.
Prussia making suggestions about getting any of the danish colonies would be a surefire way to invite a war of intervenience from a France/UK allience, aiming to either beat Prussia back to square one, or spilting up the colonies between them.
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Iceland would be all about its strategic location.
It would be William I, not second at the time.
Ok then, Germany win WW1 including against Britain, and are able to get Iceland in the peace settlement.
What's your solution to the challenge then?
It would be William I, not second at the time.
Ok then, Germany win WW1 including against Britain, and are able to get Iceland in the peace settlement.
What's your solution to the challenge then?
theres a couple of issues with that
doing WW1 Denmark was neutral, so even if they'd win the war they probably couldn't get away with a territory claim on something they'd never owned before from a non-player (who'd been a constant sovreignty the last some 900years, and can trace ownership off, back to 13'th century, under the Norwegian crown, which at that point only recenty have been spilt appart and the swedish capturing it)
WW1 started out as a war Austria-Hungary and Bosnian/Serb Rebels due to an assassination on the AH crown prince, with alliances piled on, on both sides
Other than vassalation of Denmark, most likely in the aftermath of SSW (before that the danish kings wouldn't go on with the idea, and then it would be an expansionist war) I don't see it happening.
And even then the actual attempt to make an argeement with the Danish King would invite for a fullscale war with Prussia, Austria-Hungary and the royalist Danish troops, fighting against UK, France, Danish Rebels (which would include a majority of the Parliament, under the democratic Friends of Peasents and the National Liberals), and prehaps even supplies and a general call for volenteers from Sweden and Norway ... And i'm somewhat doubtful that Prussia would be able to win such a war.
My Solution? ... impossible, at least given the demand of a PoD after 1800 ... you'd have to go far enough back in time to give HRE reason to expand to include all of scandinavia, and even then its a tough sell.
doing WW1 Denmark was neutral, so even if they'd win the war they probably couldn't get away with a territory claim on something they'd never owned before from a non-player (who'd been a constant sovreignty the last some 900years, and can trace ownership off, back to 13'th century, under the Norwegian crown, which at that point only recenty have been spilt appart and the swedish capturing it)
WW1 started out as a war Austria-Hungary and Bosnian/Serb Rebels due to an assassination on the AH crown prince, with alliances piled on, on both sides
Other than vassalation of Denmark, most likely in the aftermath of SSW (before that the danish kings wouldn't go on with the idea, and then it would be an expansionist war) I don't see it happening.
And even then the actual attempt to make an argeement with the Danish King would invite for a fullscale war with Prussia, Austria-Hungary and the royalist Danish troops, fighting against UK, France, Danish Rebels (which would include a majority of the Parliament, under the democratic Friends of Peasents and the National Liberals), and prehaps even supplies and a general call for volenteers from Sweden and Norway ... And i'm somewhat doubtful that Prussia would be able to win such a war.
My Solution? ... impossible, at least given the demand of a PoD after 1800 ... you'd have to go far enough back in time to give HRE reason to expand to include all of scandinavia, and even then its a tough sell.
Cue UK and France declaring war, because of them being weary of the rapidly growing prussia gaining good naval facilities, and a revolt from the flegding danish democracy, which would deny the King the rights claiming it going against the constitution of 1849, trying to throw out the Danish king or kill him trying.
Danish Civil War after the Easter Crisis, Absolutist Denmark invades Germany in the 1930's, Germany defeats invasion and annexes Iceland and Greenland. WW2 is avoided, Iceland receives the most help from Germany, with Greenland being sold to the United States in the 1960's. Iceland remains apart of Germany as a Self governing territory.
allready in 1918 Denmark and Iceland offically spilt appart making a personal union with a shared royal house, which is to early to be hit by the easter crisis (which happened in 1920)
A Danish civil war (which i doubt would end out being much more than a republic coup overthrowing the king) would likely just make Iceland exit the personal union earlier either becoming a republic, or inviting one of the King Christian X's brothers (say Prince Harald) with family to settle down in Iceland to make an Icelandic royal house (just like his other brother was invited to Norway becoming King Haakon after the dissulution of the Swedish-Norweigian personal union in 1905
A Danish civil war (which i doubt would end out being much more than a republic coup overthrowing the king) would likely just make Iceland exit the personal union earlier either becoming a republic, or inviting one of the King Christian X's brothers (say Prince Harald) with family to settle down in Iceland to make an Icelandic royal house (just like his other brother was invited to Norway becoming King Haakon after the dissulution of the Swedish-Norweigian personal union in 1905
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There's also the danger of the Monroe Doctrine being applied if Greenland would also be acquired by Germany, but Iceland? The Americans would find an excuse to occupy it, like they did in WWII.
Well ... It was the Brittish that Occupied Iceland ... they just requested help from US to hold it since they needed their forces otherplace