Heydrich as head of SS - Page 4

ivanotter · #61 May 30th, 2012, 06:00 AM

But Goering was not ashamed and not getting "blackmailed".

So, somewhat back to the original question:

What would Heydrich have done (different) if he had been heading SS from 1938?

Ivan

Baron Bizarre · #62 May 30th, 2012, 02:55 PM

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You know, I just noticed. Heydrich looks more than a little like Lovecraft. How's that for nightmares?

And speaking of similarities,am I the only one who thinks that Chris Collinsworth looks like Joseph Goebbels?

Kome · #63 May 30th, 2012, 05:04 PM

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But Goering was not ashamed and not getting "blackmailed".

Yeah, pretty much. Goering dont give a fuck, Fatman just takes what he wants.

Nietzsche · #64 May 30th, 2012, 05:30 PM

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Yeah, pretty much. Goering dont give a fuck, Fatman just takes what he wants.

That magnificent bastard couldn't be shamed into anything. It's why he's my favorite nazi.

Kome · #65 May 30th, 2012, 05:41 PM

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That magnificent bastard couldn't be shamed into anything. It's why he's my favorite nazi.

Admittedly he's probably my favorite Nazi as well.

Hmmm, favorite and Nazi arnt really words that should go together.

Nietzsche · #66 May 30th, 2012, 06:06 PM

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Admittedly he's probably my favorite Nazi as well.

Hmmm, favorite and Nazi arnt really words hat should go together.

Can't help it. He's just so damned likeable. Not abrasive like Hitler, annoying like Himmler, or just upchuckingly putrid as Goebbels. I know Goering's a mass murderer and...well...damn it I still like him. By far the best of a horrible bunch.

Life In Black · #67 May 30th, 2012, 06:41 PM

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Can't help it. He's just so damned likeable. Not abrasive like Hitler, annoying like Himmler, or just upchuckingly putrid as Goebbels. I know Goering's a mass murderer and...well...damn it I still like him. By far the best of a horrible bunch.

Could you imagine a Göring that actually had his shit together during WWII?

ivanotter · #68 May 30th, 2012, 08:19 PM

Horrible thought.

Goering did have it together prior to the war. Goering as the politician was excellent in manipulating and (ab)using all political loop-holes and procedures.

Imagine Goering as a US senator? wow!

I think,somehow, that Goering would have done everything to avoid war. I think we have had the discussion some time ago (Goering as Fuhrer).

Ivan

Nietzsche · #69 May 30th, 2012, 11:55 PM

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Could you imagine a Göring that actually had his shit together during WWII?

What do you think I'm gonna do? Goering gets to be Fueher. All of Hitler's charisma and manipulative prowess, combined with enough sanity to stop when he's ahead.

Blue Max · #70 May 31st, 2012, 01:44 AM

Here's a thought:

Heydrich, perhaps, would resemble Laventi Beria. A highly ambitious, shadowy figure out to put himself on top. Heydrich outmaneuvering Himmler and taking his spot isn't that hard, given how insane Himmler is.

Himmler himself had usurped a great deal of power, essentially annexing the office of Interior Minister and its functions in 1943. At this point, he opted to seize power from the Nazi Gauleiters...which displeased Hitler and was humiliated by Martin Bormann.

If Heydrich were still alive at this point, perhaps this is his time. Himmler gets put in command of a bunch of soldiers in spite of having zero experience, while the Blond Beast now takes the reins.

Becoming Furher after Hitler's suicide in 1945 isn't impossible either. If Heydrich has Hitler's trust and Goering has discredited himself, Heydrich may well lead Germany long enough to loot the treasury and flee to Spain.

MarshalBraginsky · #71 May 31st, 2012, 01:55 AM

But at least Heydrich would be smart enough not to stay behind in Germany and lead a resistance movement against the occupying Allied forces. Moreover, with a surviving Heydrich as Reichsfuhrer, you'd easily butterfly away Himmler's attempted negotiation for a surrender with the Western Allies, which in turn means that Hitler's brother in law survives into old age or Nuremberg. Of course, I'm talking about Hermann Fegelein.