NomadicSky
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What if at the end of ww1 the powers allowed the population of the nations to determine their fate. Any ideas? maps?
Germany Austria-Hungary total plebicide
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An end to WWI more favorable to Germany might pull this off.
Plus, if Austria and all its Catholic Center Party and Socalist voters were included in united Germany, it would electorally-defang the Prussian militarists for eternity.
Think the Trojan Horse.
Plus, if Austria and all its Catholic Center Party and Socalist voters were included in united Germany, it would electorally-defang the Prussian militarists for eternity.
Think the Trojan Horse.
Wendell said:
That would not happen, the Bavarian Soviet Republic was never voted into power and was far from popular among the local population, which is a factor in why it died so quickly. It is also worth pointing out that the Communists who briefly took over in Bavaria were not trying to gain independence, but were planning to use Bavaria as a base to take the rest of Germany. Bavaria voting for full independence was about as likely as Scotland voting to leave the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic
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MerryPrankster said:
Think again...
The Center Party was not all sushine and happiness, plus the Austrian Catholics while allying with them most of the time will not necessarily join the Center Party (the Bavarians had their own Catholic Party, for example). The Socialists in Austria were pretty much confined to Vienna IIRC, and would not tip the scales much at all.
Plus, it was an Austrian Catholic who would plunge the world into WWII and the Holocaust.
Well, no. I'm not sure on the ethnic figures of all of Schleswig (though even that wasn't it's own Province)... As for Poznan, in OTL it was divided, but I think Poles were the majority in the Province, so if just one plebisite was held (none were held OTL, I believe)... (Though that gives Poland a good-sized German minority)Wendell said:
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Schleswig wasn't an own province, it was part of Schleswig-Holstein... it was divided along about the ethnic line (maybe a bit in favorite of Denmark).
Hitler was nominally a Catholic, but he also said Christianity was a religion for weaklings (or slaves), and wished openly that the Arabs had conquered Germany, so that the Germans would stay ferocious warriors and ultimately come to displace the Arabs and rule the Caliphate.
And in any case, adding lots of Catholic voters to Germany would strengthen the Catholic parties, who I was under the impression opposed the Nazis and other militarists. Even if the Center Party isn't perfect, it's still better than the Nazis or old-fashioned Prussian militarism.
And in any case, adding lots of Catholic voters to Germany would strengthen the Catholic parties, who I was under the impression opposed the Nazis and other militarists. Even if the Center Party isn't perfect, it's still better than the Nazis or old-fashioned Prussian militarism.
The interesting point is also how the Austrians join the Reich. Will Austria be one state or several?
if they enter as one state, we have a possibility for a counterweight to prussian dominance in the civil service, simply as Vienna brings in a lot of civil servants who have no empire to administer anymore.
Also, I could see a stronger federalist wing in the parliament.
Maybe the finance reform of Erzberger can be avoided, which took away most state´s rights and handed them to the government in Berlin.
if they enter as one state, we have a possibility for a counterweight to prussian dominance in the civil service, simply as Vienna brings in a lot of civil servants who have no empire to administer anymore.
Also, I could see a stronger federalist wing in the parliament.
Maybe the finance reform of Erzberger can be avoided, which took away most state´s rights and handed them to the government in Berlin.