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Old March 23rd, 2012, 04:52 AM
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Your real name or a variation of. You could use a fictional name, but it's not as exciting.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 05:04 AM
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Your real name or a variation of. You could use a fictional name, but it's not as exciting.
Hunter Mathew DeRensis, mix of mainly Italian, German, and Hungarian decent if that matters at all. And I'll leave it up to you to decide any appropriate, awesome nicknames

Oh, and add in John Nance Garner's long livingness, and change the 40-50 years in the public eye to 60.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 05:28 AM
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 05:49 AM
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If no one gets the Napoleonic allegory, here, I'm ashamed of you. One more chapter to go before I release the definitive map (already finished).

Hero of the Republic



Andrew Jackson at age 23 (1790), upon being appointed cavalry commander of Republican forces at the Siege of Sparta

Andrew Jackson, a 23 year-old soldier in 1790, was not a veteran of the Revolution. However, his entire family had died in it, except for his father, also named Andrew, who had died in an accident three weeks before his son was born. Jackson, born in Waxhaws on March 15th, 1767, directly on the border between North and South Carolina, had moved to Virginia upon the Carolinas' secession from the Republic. Fervently believing in the Cause, he enlisted at age seventeen in 1784 and went to the Philadelphia Military Academy. While at PMA, he showed great promise as a commander, leading the other cadets in free-for-all wrestling matches and fisticuffs. He was extremely healthy and fit, and loved the outdoors, but loved to read above all. In his spare time, he usually read books on Caesar, Alexander, Octavian, and Frederick. He sent mail to French officers, requesting they ship him all their newest military books. Before long, he was a seasoned soldier though he had not seen a minute of action, all from reading.

In 1786, at age nineteen, young Jackson published The Supper at Monticello, a pro-Republican pamphlet detailing a fictional meeting of the Triumvirs at Jefferson's palatial estate. Paine loved the writing, and compared it to his own Plain Truth. From that point on, Jackson was Paine's favorite soldier. Immediately, Jackson received a raise in pay and was promoted to captain, unheard of for someone not yet twenty.

Over the next year, Jackson became hugely popular with the Philadelphia elite, attending numerous military balls and parties, where he met Dolley Madison, another political exile from North Carolina. Dolley, widow of the late James Madison, who had died in an Indian raid on his plantation, was also widow of John Todd, who died during the Revolution. She was exceedingly beautiful, and everyone who knew her liked her the first minute. Jackson was no exception. For the next few years, he was to be infatuated with her. They became correspondents, and it would continue for a good while.


Dolley Madison

The next great step in Jackson's life was to be climbed in 1790. On August 2nd of that year, the American Republic declared war on North Carolina. The War of 1790 stemmed from a complex trade conflict which involved the destruction of American property, namely tea and slaves. America launched a massive army under former Richmond Deputy of Public Safety General James Monroe. Monroe pushed three brigades forward down the Appalachians, where he laid siege to Sparta, North Carolina. The North Carolinians put up a fierce defense, bringing up thousands of troops, some of them "neutral" Georgians, fighting in North Carolinian uniforms. Sparta, formerly a backwater, became a battlefield that stretched for miles. The Southrons were determined to hold it to the last man, and General Monroe was determined to squash them into dust. Monroe favored using artillery, and he soon fell into conflict with one of his aides: Andrew Jackson. The observant Jackson had noticed a gap in the defenses the Carolinians had set up, a gap not exploitable by infantry or artillery, but by cavalry. Monroe denied Jackson the men to attack, claiming they would be wiped out. The young captain insisted, but again he was refused. At last, knowing the Republic would lose if he did not act, Jackson scrambled together a cavalry unit, some members nothing more than militia and volunteers lacking even identifiable uniforms. On October 20th, Jackson and his men rode out at break-neck pace toward the gap in the North Carolinian defenses. Swords pointing forward and flintlocks drawn, they crashed through and over the sandbags and feeble brick walls under heavy fire. The brown-coated Southron infantry fired as fast as they could, but Jackson and his men pushed them back, starting a rout. Screaming and shouting, the Southrons panicked and ran like confused ants as steeds galloped down the cobbled streets through a thick, choking screen of smog and smoke.

Across the battlefield, Monroe could not believe what he was seeing. Ever-cautious, he told the other officers to hold their men; there would be no "haphazard" assault on the walls of Sparta.

One person was about to change that. A young woman working as a battlefield nurse and general assistant, Gwendolyn Jones, saw Monroe throwing it all away. Screaming that they were all cowards and that she was willing to become a martyr for the Cause, she picked up a green-white-red banner and demanded others follow her. Inspired, many of the men broke rank and charged after her, screaming, "For Liberty! For the Triumvirate!" as loud as they possibly could. Before long, an entire brigade, 5,000 men, was following Jones across no man's land. Then the artillery disobeyed Monroe and opened up a barrage of canister shot on the walls of Sparta, taking out droves of densely-packed Southrons (most of them that could had gone to high ground to evade Jackson's cavalry) with single canisters. Jones was the first one to reach the walls, and she impaled the first soldier she saw on the flag pole. Huzzahing, the Republicans swarmed in and destroyed the Southrons utterly, brutally exterminating them all. Within an hour, the Siege of Sparta was over, and brown-coated bodies littered the streets, the walls, and the fields.


This is Sparta

Monroe stood awe-struck at the performance his soldiers had given. According to tradition, he said while entering the city gate, "By the heavens, I should court-martial Captain Jackson for disobeying his commanding officer and the Republic, but seeing this, I don't care if he did it right after spitting in my face and running off with my daughter. Bloody miracle."


General James Monroe

Jackson met up with Monroe later that night, where Monroe grabbed Jackson's arm and held it triumphantly in the air in front of the army. Gwendolyn Jones was hoisted on the shoulders of two troopers and carried around like a hero, with many proclaiming her the "Lady of the Republic." The name stuck.

Faced with the roaring, inspirational performance of the young captain, Second Triumvir Aaron Burr had him appointed to colonel and Cavalry Commander of the Army of Appalachia. Jackson was now James Monroe's right-hand man and friend. The Carolinian Colonel was now truly on the road to great power.

The next move in the war, in Jackson's opinion, was for him to take a brigade and his loyal cavalry and march south-west along the Blue Ridge Mountains to cut off the flow of equipment and "secret reinforcements" from Bulloch's Georgia. Monroe agreed, and marched his forces south-east toward Chapel Hill, where the Virginian general utterly annihilated a pitiful force under Major John Winslow Hubert. Jackson accomplished his goal and started taking one Georgian prisoner after another, along with wagon trains of supplies. The Georgian POW's were forced-marched north into Virginia, where they were held at huge prisons. Jackson saw to it that a few hundred troops were stationed in strategic areas to keep the peace, and then marched east to Charlotte, where he took the city after a two-week siege. Finally, he met up once again with General Monroe and together they took the capital of Raleigh. Country destitute and depopulated, the North Carolinian army fled to the Coastal Plains after America repeatedly rejected peace offers. At last, in late January, 1791, the army of North Carolina was completely wiped out in huge swaths all along the Outer Banks. Victory belonged to the Republic; there would be no peace treaty, because there was no North Carolina to sign it. It was completely and totally subjugated.


American troops land at Cape Fear, North Carolina, in this 1792 etching

When Jackson returned to the North, he was welcomed as a huge hero, and was promoted to Brigadier-General at the age of 24.

Jackson then set about drawing up a plan to present to the Triumvirs. He pointed out that Panama was likely the only passage to the Pacific without going around South America. If a canal could be built, he claimed, new trade routes could be started and a clear path to British India, in case of the expected future rematch with King George, would allow decisive action to be taken, along with opening up anarchist southern Mexico to colonization. Jose Fernandez, Hamilton's old aide and disciple and current Presidente of Gran Colombia, had been trying to bring the savages and stubborn citizens of Panama to heel for over five years. If the American army moved quickly and decisively, the Isthmus would be theirs.


Just look at this and try to spot the similarities between certain early Napoleonic events.



















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Just out of curiosity, what base map did you use? This is important.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 06:35 AM
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=Jackson, born in Waxhaws on March 15th, 1767, directly on the border between North and South Carolina
Which we now know was incorrectly plotted...
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 06:39 AM
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Which we now know was incorrectly plotted...
Huh? You mean they messed up surveying?

EDIT: I used a basemap of the New World that goes a little past the Mississippi. Why's it important?
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Huh? You mean they messed up surveying?

EDIT: I used a basemap of the New World that goes a little past the Mississippi. Why's it important?
It's important because I love maps.


Yeah, apparently the surveyors fucked up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/s...arolina-border
http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=236347


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Don't worry, it isn't some old pixelated thing.

Those links are hilarious. 250 years later, and we're only just finding out.

I think I'll remove the link, then.
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Took it off my post too, wouldn't want to give it away for you or in spite of you!
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:45 AM
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Just somethin' I'm throwin' out there.
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A Map would still be nice.

Jackson going to take the Isthmus? Pamana Canal is out of reach with the current tech, but will be fun to watch.

I take it Dolley Madison is filling the role of Josephine.
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Dolley Madison and Andrew Jackson.......things just keep getting weirder, but oh so much more interesting.
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Rather an oxymoron, don't you think?

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A Map would still be nice.

Jackson going to take the Isthmus? Pamana Canal is out of reach with the current tech, but will be fun to watch.

I take it Dolley Madison is filling the role of Josephine.
Like I said, just one more chapter and the map will be up.

Ayup, Dolley is indeed the Josephine figure, but she'll likely be quite a bit different.

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"Not tonight, Dolley!"

Oh, and even though I appeared, I still havent became the National Personification of America. When will I become that?
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The worst part of that update is the clearly French uniforms in the paintings, besides that.....its definitely better then the original thread.
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Jackson going to take the Isthmus? Pamana Canal is out of reach with the current tech, but will be fun to watch.
Very true, but I believe it was envisioned to be possible 'in the future' well before the tech was around to actually do it. Jackson using that insight.

Will definitely be fun to watch.
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"Not tonight, Dolley!"

Oh, and even though I appeared, I still havent became the National Personification of America. When will I become that?
Very soon. She'll probably become an author politician, and then some guy will paint a picture of her at the Siege of Sparta, and then wammo, national personification.

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The worst part of that update is the clearly French uniforms in the paintings, besides that.....its definitely better then the original thread.
Don't forget, American uniforms used to look extremely French/European:





And in this story, the French Rev. never happens, and France never adopts blue. The Americans come up with a lot of these uniforms themselves.

But thanks!

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Very true, but I believe it was envisioned to be possible 'in the future' well before the tech was around to actually do it. Jackson using that insight.
This.

EDIT: I edited a joke on one of the picture captions in the last chapter. See if you can spot it.
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