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What are some of the best contenders, besides Austria and Brandenburg/Prussia?

-Bavaria?
-Bohemia?
-Luxemburg?
-Westphalia (perhaps the one created by the French, maybe sooner then OTL. Germany United by a French created state…)
-Burgundy (maybe a strange one, but it was part of the HRE…)
-Holland (ditto)



Anybody else?
 
The swedes were a powerfull people in germany in the 17th century.
Gustav Adolf surviving and having some deals....
 
Hermanubis said:
What are some of the best contenders, besides Austria and Brandenburg/Prussia?

-Bavaria?
-Bohemia?
-Luxemburg?
-Westphalia (perhaps the one created by the French, maybe sooner then OTL. Germany United by a French created state…)
-Burgundy (maybe a strange one, but it was part of the HRE…)
-Holland (ditto)



Anybody else?

[shameless self-promotion]Hmm... the next post in the Unholy Roman Empire TL will have quite a bit to do with the above question... it should be up later on today...[/shameless self-promotion]

And, for the spoiler (that kind of answers the above question) - Highlight to read:


Think of Germany being united by Bavaria and Palatinate under a quasi-religious nationalist agenda - in ATL XVIth century, of all things

There!
 
Well, there was this plan to create a 3rd force in Germany in cca 1850, the Alliance of 4 Kings or something like that. It was made up (or planned to be made up) of Bavaria, Wurttemberg, Saxony, and Hanover.
 

Redbeard

Banned
Karl!

Karl - Marx or Liebknecht - depending on timeframe!

Let things go like Karl thought they would and we soon have a revolution in Germany.

Next Karl - Marx or Liebknecht - takes over all power as Primary Proletar (AKA PP) of the Combined Council of German Workers and Soldiers.

Regards

Steffen Redbeard
 
Though you have to get over the fact that Denmark isn't really German, and has always been more interested in Scandinavia... Maybe have no Denmark-Norway, or if you want to go really back have Charlemagne conquer the land.
 
Hermanubis said:
What are some of the best contenders, besides Austria and Brandenburg/Prussia?

-Bavaria?
-Bohemia?
-Luxemburg?
-Westphalia (perhaps the one created by the French, maybe sooner then OTL. Germany United by a French created state…)
-Burgundy (maybe a strange one, but it was part of the HRE…)
-Holland (ditto)



Anybody else?
Maybe also Lorraine, and what would you guys think of a Germany united by Switzerland?
 
Ahhhh! Have it united by Alsace (the more German one) united with Lorraine (Frencher, but independent)
 
Change the outcome of the conflict between Barbarossa and Henry the Lion in the 12th century and you might get interesting follow-up effects. After all, Henry was married to an English princess, and this might also stop the focus on Northern Italy. You will never have Frederick II. and maybe get an entirely different Holy Roman Empire.
 
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