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Old March 30th, 2012, 07:39 PM
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A small question: does anyone know the equivalence between Titles in the game? I'm wondering as I don't really know how this works.

Classic Chirstian Feudal works this way:
Emperor
King
Duke
Count
Baron

For Muslim equivalents, it seems to be Cheik=Count, Emir=Duke and Sultan=King but I don't know if there are equivalents of Emperors and Barons. Plus, Turkic cultures (like the Seljuk) have unique titles (Bey for example) but I can't find how this works.
Byzantine Equivalent of King seems to be Despote while Duke is Doux.
I have trouble regarding Pagan and Mongol equivalents.
Also, I have no way to know how this work with Theocracies, Holy Orders and "Democratic" (Mayor being the base for those titles).

Can anyone help me? Or tell me where I could find informations on this?
This would work for Turkish States:
Padishah or Shahanshah or Kayser
Sultan
Beylerbey (Anachronism) or Bey
Bey or ?????
?????
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Old March 30th, 2012, 11:32 PM
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1.05 patch will include reworked crusaders.
FUCKING YES!

Crusades are so broken right now.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 07:43 AM
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How can I tell what version of the game currently have?
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Old March 31st, 2012, 09:19 AM
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Yorel, how fare the Franks? I can't be the only one who likes your AAR.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 02:05 PM
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I just bought this game, what is a good nation to play as, and do you people have any tips?
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Old March 31st, 2012, 02:53 PM
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A small question: does anyone know the equivalence between Titles in the game? I'm wondering as I don't really know how this works.

Classic Chirstian Feudal works this way:
Emperor
King
Duke
Count
Baron

For Muslim equivalents, it seems to be Cheik=Count, Emir=Duke and Sultan=King but I don't know if there are equivalents of Emperors and Barons. Plus, Turkic cultures (like the Seljuk) have unique titles (Bey for example) but I can't find how this works.
Byzantine Equivalent of King seems to be Despote while Duke is Doux.
I have trouble regarding Pagan and Mongol equivalents.
Also, I have no way to know how this work with Theocracies, Holy Orders and "Democratic" (Mayor being the base for those titles).

Can anyone help me? Or tell me where I could find informations on this?
As for Byzantine titles, the Emperor is called Basileus, although that merely means King. He should be either called Megas Basileus, Basileus Basileon or Autokrator. The remaining ranks IMO should be:

Emperor: Megas Basileus
King: Basileus/Kaisar/Regas (depending on their affinity with the Emperor)
Duke: Despotes
Count/Earl: Doux
Bishop: Metropolitan Bishop
Baron: Kephale

As for the Council:

Marshal: Megas Domestikos
Chancellor: Logothetes tou Dromou
Steward: Megas Logothetes
The religous one: Patriarch (the change in this would always change the Patriarch as well. After all, the Emperors had rights to depose Patriarchs)
The scholarly one: Kartophylax/Kartolaurios
Spy: No idea.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 04:08 PM
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The title equivalents should be in the localisation files somewhere I think.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 04:11 PM
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Yorel, how fare the Franks? I can't be the only one who likes your AAR.
I haven't had the occasion to play since my last update, notably because I have work to do. But I could give you a summary of the situation as I remember it.

My King, Louis VI, is currently in his 50s. He is a Drunkard (earned the nickname for this) and is also invalid meaning he has a malus in health. I am not expecting him to live much longer. He is King of France, Castille & Aragon, Duke of Valois & Anjou and Count of Paris, Orléans, Léon (in Britanny), Penthevière, Navarra, Alto Aragon and Urgell. His heir is Louis, Count of Maine, who is in his 30s and married. A bit worried though because he has only had one child and it's a girl. I have Capetian males to spare like his half-brother Leonard, but still...

There are other Capetians branches which are Dukes of Aragon, Counts of Rouen, Dukes of Barcelona and Dukes of Normandy respectively. I tried to marry some outside of France to win foreign crowns but it failed: I might retry this in the future because I have a lot of Capetians to spare, including those born out of matrilineal marraiges. Doesn't mean I haven't my own problems with such a huge number of Capetians: some want titles, other want my place, other plots against me... The most troublesome is fourth time imprisonned Duke Guilhèm of Aragon, who has -100 opinon of his half-brother Louis VI, who in turn as -100 opinon of him.

Regarding French nobility, the most successful Houses are the De Toulouse and the De Bourgogne (the latter being Capetian Cadets). The First have members who are Dukes of Toulouse and Provence: funny thing is that they are culturally German. The second hold a "Grand Duchy" in Eastern France made of the Duchies of Champagne and Burgundy, though it had a civil war raging for years at one point (I think it took 20 years to resolve itself). The third largest Duchy is that of Aquitaine as the Duke has managed to annex Gascony. My other vassals are small Counts of only hold a small Duchy (one or two-provinces), the exception being the Duke of Castille who is an Andalusian (and a former Sunni Muslim converted to Christiannity). Religious-wise, only one provinces of my Kingdom remains non-Catholic: Catalyud.

Among my allies are my brother-in-law, the King of Sicily but also the King of Bretonia (a de jure Kingdom made of Britanny, Wales and Cornwall though it holds none of them de facto currently...) and one of his cousin who is Count of La Coruña. The King of Bretonia (whose aunt is the wife of Guilhèm of Aragon) is set to inherit Ireland because his mother is the current Queen of that Island.
There is also a war going on Britanny that I'm following... The King of England and the Duke of Gwynned have claimed the Duchy of Britanny. I'm waiting to see who wins to see what I'll do about that.

The Outisde world is... messy. Iberia particularly: Galicia is in English (or was it Bretonnian?) hands, the HRE holds a good bit of lands of what would be the de jure Kingdom of Leon and there are three or four muslim states (Mauretania, Cordoba, Porto and a fourth one I can't remember). The HRE itself is, franky, quite broken: aside from the naturally large holdings it starts with and the Iberian lands I mentionned, it has vassalised Norway, conquered Finland and even the former Emirate of Alexandria during a Crusade... And that bothers me because the HRE holds lands that I want...

There are, frankly, a good number of huge Kingdoms: Poland stretches from Silesia to the White Sea (though it gave some of these lands to the Teutonic order), Hungary holds most of Central Europe (but it already did so OTL), The King of Sweden (a Piast) is also King of Denmark, the Kingdom of Rus has formed and stretches on most of medieval Russia... Add to this bunch a Sultanate of Mauretania that stretches on the whole Maghreb, a still huge Shiite Caliphate, the still-living Coumans and a huge Seljuk Empire...

Byzantium is the only blob that doesn't fare really well though it is recovering. What makes me laugh is that there is a Despote of Armenia (I think) who is listed as King-equivalent but vassal to the Doukas Emperor (Konstantinos XI I believe). Special mention to House Komnenos though who holds lands in Southern Italy, in Ionia, a province in the Balkans and even georgian lands.

If I had to talk about my objectives, I'll say that I wish to make a France with the Ebro and the Rhine river as borders. I also want to snatch the Kindgom of Burgundy from the HRE but I am worried at the idea of facing tens of thousands soldiers like the HRE can mobilize. I will try to take advantage of rebellions to do so, but it won't be easy... Especially if you consider that my wars with Duke Floris IV of Holland (who holds Flanders...) all ended because he signed white peace with the HRE first.

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The title equivalents should be in the localisation files somewhere I think.
Thanks, I'll take a look.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 05:00 PM
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As for Byzantine titles, the Emperor is called Basileus, although that merely means King. He should be either called Megas Basileus, Basileus Basileon or Autokrator. The remaining ranks IMO should be:

Emperor: Megas Basileus
King: Basileus/Kaisar/Regas (depending on their affinity with the Emperor)
Duke: Despotes
Count/Earl: Doux
Bishop: Metropolitan Bishop
Baron: Kephale

As for the Council:

Marshal: Megas Domestikos
Chancellor: Logothetes tou Dromou
Steward: Megas Logothetes
The religous one: Patriarch (the change in this would always change the Patriarch as well. After all, the Emperors had rights to depose Patriarchs)
The scholarly one: Kartophylax/Kartolaurios
Spy: No idea.
But that would mean no more Komes. :\
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Old April 1st, 2012, 02:08 AM
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As for Byzantine titles, the Emperor is called Basileus, although that merely means King. He should be either called Megas Basileus, Basileus Basileon or Autokrator. The remaining ranks IMO should be:

Emperor: Megas Basileus
King: Basileus/Kaisar/Regas (depending on their affinity with the Emperor)
Duke: Despotes
Count/Earl: Doux
Bishop: Metropolitan Bishop
Baron: Kephale

As for the Council:

Marshal: Megas Domestikos
Chancellor: Logothetes tou Dromou
Steward: Megas Logothetes
The religous one: Patriarch (the change in this would always change the Patriarch as well. After all, the Emperors had rights to depose Patriarchs)
The scholarly one: Kartophylax/Kartolaurios
Spy: No idea.
I think the size of Duchy in game is similar to the theme size, I would name duke as Strategos (Thema), count as Tourmarches (Tourma) and baron as Count (Bandon)

and spy ... Protonotarios tou dromou(deputy of Logothetes tou dromou)?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:40 PM
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Had a pretty good sesh today.

Started a new game as the Earl of Ulster. Got married, had a load of kids and started making key alliances with people in the region. My eldest was a homosexual but aside from that he had brilliant stats, so I didn't have him assassinated. Anyway, he inherited and then it was time for the conquering.

Managed to form the Duchy of Ulster, at which point the Duchy of Meath had claimed 5 territories. I arranged a marriage with the daughter of the count of Briefne, had a son with her by some miracle, killed her so that the son would inherit the claim, conquered Briefne on behalf of my son, then had him killed. Married the female heir to the Duchy of Meath, kill the Duke of Meath, then managed to produce a single male heir to the dynasty. When he inherits I'll have full control of 70% of Ireland, at which point I will happily crown myself King.

Man, this must be what Littlefinger feels like.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:58 PM
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My son stands to inherit the HRE (from me) and the Byzantine Empire (from his mother). Unfortunately he's a 2 year old and pretty much everyone wants to murder him...
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Old April 1st, 2012, 10:04 PM
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I was playing a Sweden, and when tried to attack the Livonia for Latgale, I had to fight The Yatvigs, Curonians, Livonians, Estonians and Lithuanians, who had really big armies compared to mine. I was able to get the Rus Band Mercenaries to help me take Latgale, ended the wars with Lithuania and the Yatvigs, but the Estonians got the Livonians back in and I had little of my armies remaining.

I tried to fight two finnish tribes, and they had Double my army with only Four provinces in Western Finland, while I had all of Sweden minus Viken, Jamtland and Scania.

Why? How can I fix this?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 01:35 AM
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I was playing a Sweden, and when tried to attack the Livonia for Latgale, I had to fight The Yatvigs, Curonians, Livonians, Estonians and Lithuanians, who had really big armies compared to mine. I was able to get the Rus Band Mercenaries to help me take Latgale, ended the wars with Lithuania and the Yatvigs, but the Estonians got the Livonians back in and I had little of my armies remaining.

I tried to fight two finnish tribes, and they had Double my army with only Four provinces in Western Finland, while I had all of Sweden minus Viken, Jamtland and Scania.

Why? How can I fix this?
At a guess, either your manpower's depleted from too much fighting or your crown laws only require your lords to supply you with a paltry levy. IIRC Sweden's very decentralised, so it may well be the latter.

Long term, you can boost your levy by upgrading your provinces, but it's rather expensive.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 05:22 PM
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Does anyone have a link to a good starter guide? I started as the Earl of Dublin (saw several folks say anything in ireland is good).

Any good advice just starting out? When you start, is it randomized? for example, if I started another game with the earl of dublin, would all the different dependants still be the same?

I have a 19 yearold heir, should I marry him off? Any suggestions there? Just need some starting advice to really get going.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 05:53 PM
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Does anyone have a link to a good starter guide? I started as the Earl of Dublin (saw several folks say anything in ireland is good).

Any good advice just starting out? When you start, is it randomized? for example, if I started another game with the earl of dublin, would all the different dependants still be the same?

I have a 19 yearold heir, should I marry him off? Any suggestions there? Just need some starting advice to really get going.
I started as his father, the earl of Leinster (but since he will die soon, and Dublin will inherit Leinster, it is pretty much the same). The basics:

-I assume you want to become King of Ireland. To do so you need to control 7 of Ireland's 13 provinces. As Earl of Dublin you can create the Duchy of Meath, so right off the bat start saving to pay for it and for mercenaries. I'd also put my chancellor to fabricate claims on the Duchy of Munster (alternatively, try to marry someone with claims on Munster so you can press them).
-Soon after the game starts, your dad the Earl of Leinster will die and you will inherit Leinster. This will allow you to create the Duchy of Leinster.
-Once you're Duke of both Leinster and Meath (this will cost you 400 gold total, so you may have to spend your first years just saving gold), you can press de jure claims on Ossory and Meath (you should do this ASAP so they aren't swallowed by Munster or Connaught).
-By now it should be around 1075 and you should control 4 irish provinces, which makes you the island's main power. Now it's just a matter of waiting until your chancellor fabricates claims on Munster: the better he is, the shorter the wait. This will cost you gold and prestige, so it is more elegant if you can somehow find a claimant to install in the throne while keeping him as your vassal, or you marry your way into Munster's family.
-Anyway, once you control two of Munster's provinces, you can usurp the Duchy. Once you're Duke of Munster, you can press de jure claims on the remaining county. Once you conquer it, you control seven Irish provinces: it's just a matter of waiting until you get enough gold and piety to become King. Once you are a King, if the Duchy of Ulster hasn't been created yet, independent Counts there will submit if you just ask them (There's a chance that Scotland may have moved in, though). You will have to conquer Connaught the old-fashioned way, though.

I managed to unify the Island by 1095 in my first game, but I am sure it can be done much earlier by inviting claimants to Munster or marrying the right people.

If you want to make things easier, just marry a french or german princess to get very powerful allies. But at the start of the game in Ireland, even the cheapest, smallest mercenary band is an invincible Death Star, so take advantage of Dublin being the richest province in the island.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 04:57 AM
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Currently playing as the Duke of Herefordshire (and Gloucester), Count of Wilthold and Shrewsbury, Liege of Worcester, Warwick and Powys (which i should really rename to something less Welsh).

The Saga of House de Crepon.

Pretty fun game so far, but rather slow going, probably since im a shitty player. Started out as Count of Hereford and Gloucester. Was granted the title Duke of Hereford by William the Conqueror as a reward for my service in beating up the Saxon revolts. Also saved up 200 gold to bribe into existence the artificial title of Duke of Gloucester for myself. Spent much of my time just saving money and watching William crush the Saxon remnant (and some renegade Normans as well).

Then things got a bit screwy. The Pope disapproved of William's treatment of the locals and excommunicated him. The French answered the Pope's call and declared war, removing William the Conqueror from the throne and forcing him to abdicate to his so, OTL Robert Curthose, who would eventually be known as Robert the Meek in the game.

In a bit of historical irony William was exiled back to the mainland as Count of Maine (otl Curthose held the title Count of Maine). As an added insult he was stripped of the title Duke of Normandy as well and it was given to a cadet branch of the de Normandie family, although he started fancying himself as Duke of Anjou, to the annoyance of the French and the previous Duke of Anjou.

At this point i was made Count of Shrewsbury by the new King of England, who was apparently way over his demense limit and eager to sell of his lands to buy the loyalty of his dukes. At some point i also gained vassalage over the Archbishopric of Worchester, although im not sure how that happened. I'll have to remember to seize control of the province directly someday, since having a Archbishop control the land isnt to my benefit.

Compared to his father The Conqueror, Robert was different. For one he had a 6 in martial instead of a 22. For another thing he ceased persecution of the remaining Saxon lords and released his prisoners from the dungeon without stripping them of their titles or ransoming them. A few Norman lords protested and tried to declare independence, but they were put down. And hey, he gave out portions of his vast domains to his new vassals.

So all things considered King Robert didnt seem so bad, although perhaps a bit soft, which earned him the epitaph 'Robert the Meek'.

However his idea of kingship didnt match with that of his vassals. It started with an attempt to raise the crown authority (and the vote is still ongoing actually. Does it ever end? Or does it only stop when it passes?). Then he started requesting 'special contributions' for the royal coffers. Such actions didnt help his popularity among his vassals. And compared to his father Robert didnt inspire any personal loyalty, with his overweight figure, and pencil mustache (put to shame by William's much more impressive mustache). His lack of military talent was also derided by the veteran lords who had been companions of William the Conqueror.

So as could be expected, one day the aging William the Conqueror fled his Northampton castle to Maine and raising his flag in revolt, declaring he would cross the Channel once again and take that the throne that was his by right.

Within a few days word spread by raven and pigeon throughout England and nobles rallied to William's banner as the rightful king of England. Even the Saxon Duke of Northumberland and York who had been imprisoned by William the Saxon Hater and had the North pillaged in war, and owed his titles, lands and even life to Robert sided with the rebel forces.

Yeah i have no idea what he was thinking.

Other lords sided with William against the king as well, including the Duke of Hereford and Gloucester.

Unfortunately "WI William of Normandy Retook the Throne?" would be left to the realm of alternate history. The first strike against the 'Williamites' was the fact that the Duke of Lancaster stayed loyal to the English throne. Lancaster was a Saxon duke like Northumberland, unlike his counterpart though, he apparently had a different decision making process. His failure to defect forced the Williamite Yorkish forces to stay in the north besiging Lancaster rather than marching south to meet the English armies.

The second strike was that Normandy failed to revolt with William, leaving his armies lacking any boats to transport his raised army to England.

And the third and most damming strike was the failure of the the Williamite forces in coordinating their strategy. Or to put it into game terms, the AI had each army besieging separate provs rather than going into one provs and forming one big army to defeat the unified English Army lead by Robert.

As a result we lost. The Duke of Lancaster would be rewarded for his loyalty and several minor counts that sided with William lost their lands. As for William himself the old Conqueror would die a year later in the dungeon.

As for the Duke of Hereford? For his betrayal of the English crown... the king gave him the County of Warwick?

Yep, Robert was a soft one.

Also apparently Brittany owns Cornwall now.

Several years later the realm would be throne into war yet again. This time, angered at his defeat and embarrassment in a jousting tournament hosted by the King of England, the Duke of Hereford invaded the neighboring county of Wilthold.

It made sense at the time.

Simultaneously the Duke of Northumberland took the opportunity to declare independence from the Norman southerners as a free and independent Kingdom of the North. Well technically a Duchy of the North.

By themselves neither Northumberland or Hereford could stand against the King, being faced with a two to one disadvantage. The arrival of 3000 Italian reinforcements landing at Somerset slightly evened out the numbers however. And while King Robert had slightly improved his military skills after William's Rebellion he would be up against two Brilliant Strategists. By the end of the war it would apparent how outclassed the King of England was.

Northumberland's strategy to gain independence was based on the idea that they could constantly raid England's northern border and that would force the King of England to submit. Robert was Robert the Meek, but he wasnt THAT meek.

The strategy did aid Hereford in winning their war however. Forced to continually divert forces north, the English were unable to seize control of Hereford. Meanwhile down south the Herefordians and the Italians had gained control of all of southwestern England (minus Cornwall which was Breton).

That wasnt enough to prevent the Duke of Hereford from declaring the war was lost and committing suicide once news reached him that Hereford had been captured King Robert. So ended the life of William de Crepon, Duke of Hereford and Gloucester, Second of His Name.

His son and successor, Roger de Crepon, First of His Name would be the one left to fight the war. William de Crepon hadnt exactly done a good job of raising his son. Roger was a drunkard with 3 out of 7 deadly sins, leading to the church cutting off all funding for the war. One think William did do correctly though, was teach his son how to be an even better strategist than he was.

Duke Roger and King Robert would meet for the first time at the Battle of Bristol, which would also be the first time their respective armies would meet on the battlefield throughout the entire war. The end result would be a decisive victory for Hereford. Although admittedly over 75% of Hereford's forces would be destroyed in the battle. The war would continue and even London would end up besieged and captured by the end of the war.

Not so bad for a drunkard huh?

Although considering all he managed to gain in the peace treaty was Wilthold perhaps his diplomacy could have used a bit of work. Professional historians are quick to point out the war wasnt as decisive as it looked and was actually an extremely close run thing. Hereford was lucky it gained Wilthold at all.

The entire war was made a lot more complicated by the fact the entire country faced an outbreak of consumption. Killing troops on both sides without discrimination.

Seriously the supply level for landlocked provs where like 1K while coastal provs got 3K.

And although William II committed suicide his legacy still lives on. Considering the guy had like 11 kids. And Roger had 8 kids before he even became Duke of Hereford. Say what you want about the de Crepons, you gotta admire their vigor.

As for what happened to Roger after the war? Hereford rejoined the Kingdom of England as part of the peace agreement. Then he lost a jousting tourney hosted by the King in 'celebration' of the end of the war. Like father like son?

He also caught syphilis at the tourney.

And so the Saga of House de Crepon continues.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 04:57 AM
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HOLY SHIT. I did NOT mean to write that much.

It was meant to just be a short summary of my game.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 03:39 PM
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I started as his father, the earl of Leinster (but since he will die soon, and Dublin will inherit Leinster, it is pretty much the same). The basics:

-I assume you want to become King of Ireland. To do so you need to control 7 of Ireland's 13 provinces. As Earl of Dublin you can create the Duchy of Meath, so right off the bat start saving to pay for it and for mercenaries. I'd also put my chancellor to fabricate claims on the Duchy of Munster (alternatively, try to marry someone with claims on Munster so you can press them).
-Soon after the game starts, your dad the Earl of Leinster will die and you will inherit Leinster. This will allow you to create the Duchy of Leinster.
-Once you're Duke of both Leinster and Meath (this will cost you 400 gold total, so you may have to spend your first years just saving gold), you can press de jure claims on Ossory and Meath (you should do this ASAP so they aren't swallowed by Munster or Connaught).
-By now it should be around 1075 and you should control 4 irish provinces, which makes you the island's main power. Now it's just a matter of waiting until your chancellor fabricates claims on Munster: the better he is, the shorter the wait. This will cost you gold and prestige, so it is more elegant if you can somehow find a claimant to install in the throne while keeping him as your vassal, or you marry your way into Munster's family.
-Anyway, once you control two of Munster's provinces, you can usurp the Duchy. Once you're Duke of Munster, you can press de jure claims on the remaining county. Once you conquer it, you control seven Irish provinces: it's just a matter of waiting until you get enough gold and piety to become King. Once you are a King, if the Duchy of Ulster hasn't been created yet, independent Counts there will submit if you just ask them (There's a chance that Scotland may have moved in, though). You will have to conquer Connaught the old-fashioned way, though.

I managed to unify the Island by 1095 in my first game, but I am sure it can be done much earlier by inviting claimants to Munster or marrying the right people.

If you want to make things easier, just marry a french or german princess to get very powerful allies. But at the start of the game in Ireland, even the cheapest, smallest mercenary band is an invincible Death Star, so take advantage of Dublin being the richest province in the island.
I've done pretty well so far I have 4 counties (Once I created duchy of meath, I put in a claim for the other county just like you said). Then once I got Leinster, did the same thing. Now have 2 duchies and 4 counties. Trying to get a claim on Munster, but its taking forever

ANyway to up my chance to fabicrate claims?

My daughter in law wanted to have a affair, so I um obliged while my wife was at a convent for a month....had a baby daughter lol. (which is what the daughter in law really wanted). I legitmatized the baby girl, and my wife and my heir were pissed.

Anyways, I smooth'ed things over, wife is still pissed, son is coming around to me banging his wife and producing a 3rd heir to the throne. I gave him a county seat, I guess he cant stay mad to long since he is going to take over everything once I die.

Tried to kill the wife, but no one is having it, want to marry a princess that has insane intrigue (It was like 21) and pop out a few daughters. No luck, as no one wants to plot with me. I guess I'm just going to have to keep on shagging the daughter in law.

Also how do you keep your vassals from rebeling? Any good strats there? I've watched a play through of CK2 on youtube, and the guy was constantly putting down rebellions.

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My daughter in law wanted to have a affair, so I um obliged while my wife was at a convent for a month....had a baby daughter lol. (which is what the daughter in law really wanted). I legitmatized the baby girl, and my wife and my heir were pissed.
I had several times when ive had a child with my char's daughter and was given the opportunity to legitimize the child. Interestingly enough legitimizing the child both pisses my daughter off and makes her slightly happy (mostly pissed though). Incest does that. XD
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