Flag Thread III

[Laplace's Demon]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

Seeing as they are ultra-nationalists, they might have chosen a shape that is more in keeping with their heritage having it being a long vertical banner instead with the torii (or maybe some more distinctive mon) centered toward the top.

In term of visibility, red on white will always trump red on blue although a fimibriation might solve your problem if you want that colour combination.

Actually, the fictional ATL person leading the revolution is the son of an ATL universe Yukio Mishima/Hiraoka Kimitake who decided to marry in the 1950's after all as a cover for his homosexuality; and Kimitake/Mishima could trace his lineage back to the Matsudaira clan of the disbanded Shishido Domain, whose clan mon in the Hollyhock, same as the Tokugawa, only gold instead of black.

However working gold into a design with red and white isn't going to be super-fun, but it is an idea I can work with. I suppose whatever symbols that old samurai movement to restore the emperor and throw out the barbarians that preceded the successful overthrow of the Tokugawa could also be used by ultranationalists, or an invented mon like the Japanese corporations use, such as Mitsubishi's stylized waterchestnuts.

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by Laplace's Demon

Actually, the fictional ATL person leading the revolution is the son of an ATL universe Yukio Mishima/Hiraoka Kimitake who decided to marry in the 1950's after all as a cover for his homosexuality; and Kimitake/Mishima could trace his lineage back to the Matsudaira clan of the disbanded Shishido Domain, whose clan mon in the Hollyhock, same as the Tokugawa, only gold instead of black.

However working gold into a design with red and white isn't going to be super-fun, but it is an idea I can work with. I suppose whatever symbols that old samurai movement to restore the emperor and throw out the barbarians that preceded the successful overthrow of the Tokugawa could also be used by ultranationalists, or an invented mon like the Japanese corporations use, such as Mitsubishi's stylized waterchestnuts.

Wait. Mons have no colour originally, they are correct whatever colour they're drawn in as long as the shape is right, IIRC.

[Cèsar de Quart]

Originally Posted by deathgod

I felt flaggy.

A semy-plausible take on the reasoning behind the flag of Code Geass' Holy Britannian empire. Primary difference in this are the different Irish flag (as opposed to St. Patrick's Flag, a 17th century invention) incorporating St. George's Cross, the Celtic Cross and the shield of arms and of course the addition of the North American colonies with a flag alluding to the richness of the land in green and gold. Also, there is an explicit reference to France's mediaeval flag of Azure, a Cross Argent (used during the Hundred Years' War and remembered in the flag of Quebec).

Code Geass is not mine.

I think Code Geass is too weird and it makes little sense to seek a "historical" plausible approach. It's Japanese writers looking for a spooky, cool environment for a Japan-Rebel Alliance versus The Evil Empire.

But it makes very little sense alltogether. I learned about it here, in this forums, I gave it a try and... well, it makes little sense.

Anyway, for the flags themselves, I'll say it's a nice approach, although the Celtic cross for Ireland seems a bit too much. Celtic crosses were not "celtic" in the Middle Age, they were everywhere, and I doubt someone in Ireland would have gone for that as a representation of the island. Or someone in England, for that matter.

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

I think Code Geass is too weird and it makes little sense to seek a "historical" plausible approach. It's Japanese writers looking for a spooky, cool environment for a Japan-Rebel Alliance versus The Evil Empire.

But it makes very little sense alltogether. I learned about it here, in this forums, I gave it a try and... well, it makes little sense.

Anyway, for the flags themselves, I'll say it's a nice approach, although the Celtic cross for Ireland seems a bit too much. Celtic crosses were not "celtic" in the Middle Age, they were everywhere, and I doubt someone in Ireland would have gone for that as a representation of the island. Or someone in England, for that matter.

Well, I've been trying hard. See my deviantArt for some of the fruits. I am an active fan fiction write in the fandom, so I am always in need of a semi-plausible backstory which with the help of some extensive use of butterfly nets (the British Isles over a course of 300 years) I have been able to think up. Of course, Sunrise keeps driving me mad, but hopefully their research on the sequel, set in the European Union (yay ) will be better.

Is that so? Damn. Quick Wiki research showed nothing ... well, I didn't want to use St. Patrick's Cross, so I just went with this.

[Laplace's Demon]

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

I think Code Geass is too weird and it makes little sense to seek a "historical" plausible approach. It's Japanese writers looking for a spooky, cool environment for a Japan-Rebel Alliance versus The Evil Empire.

But it makes very little sense alltogether. I learned about it here, in this forums, I gave it a try and... well, it makes little sense.

Anyway, for the flags themselves, I'll say it's a nice approach, although the Celtic cross for Ireland seems a bit too much. Celtic crosses were not "celtic" in the Middle Age, they were everywhere, and I doubt someone in Ireland would have gone for that as a representation of the island. Or someone in England, for that matter.

There's an interpretation I tend to agree with that the Britannian Empire is actually meant to represent the dark side of Japanese culture (the militarism, colonialism, and twisted sense of chivalry of the Showa period) rather than the United States or even the West in general. However, allegory does not translate super-well into historically-minded alternate history.

[Lord Grattan]

An alternate Eureka flag:

Disclosure statement: I did not conceive the idea for this particular pattern of red & white strips.

[Nicksplace27]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

And only now I realize I have carried out the mother of all heraldic sins: placing a gold charge on a silver field. Have mercy on me! How could I do that?

Anyway, here is a better version.

This is awesome, thank you so much...

As an aside, why is such a faux pas to put Gold on Silver? Is heraldry really that closely followed? Would George IV really be against the Gold Snake on the Silver field?

If that seems implausible, its okay; because I really love the red fielded one as well...

[Klisz]

Originally Posted by Nicksplace27

As an aside, why is such a faux pas to put Gold on Silver? Is heraldry really that closely followed? Would George IV really be against the Gold Snake on the Silver field?

IIRC it's because gold and silver were very hard to tell apart from a distance, back when escutcheons were used on actual, physical shields.

[QuoProQuid]

Originally Posted by Lord Grattan

An alternate Eureka flag:

Disclosure statement: I did not conceive the idea for this particular pattern of red & white strips.

This flag looks very, very cool. Great job.

[oshron]

from the same TL as my Republic of Humankind flag, here's the flag of the Galactic Economic Community. im still developing its member-nations and the history of the GEC in general, but the idea is that it was founded millennia ago (2012 AD is supposed to be Galactic Standard Year 157,707). though i generally dont like the various ancient astronauts theories, ive decided that the Terran name for this race will be "Anunnaki" after a purported alien race that visited Earth to mine gold who were mistaken for gods. each different alien race featured in the story will have their own name for the race, but theyre basically the equivalent of the Forerunners from Halo. at some point, the anunnaki are (nearly) wiped out, long before any of the current members of the GEC even reach space, so they're pretty much myth and legend by the time humans enter the community around 2500 AD. the GEC is basically like the EU. but in space.

now for the symbolism of the flag: the array of circles in the top-center represent the member-nations of the GEC, specifically each species homeworld, with additional planets and circular rings added appropriately when new nations join the community. the largest circle in the center represents the anunnaki homeworld (im thinking of making it so that their homeworld is composed primarily of gold and that their atmosphere will be red, hence the different coloring, as well as being fucking HUGE, like as big as jupiter huge). the dark blue field represents the void of space while the purple shapes on each side (actually colored-in, blurred, and rotated dragon curves) are supposed to represent large groups of stars and other stuff floating in space, such as nebulae as seen from the perspective of the anunnaki, since they designed the flag initially. the array of circles, incidentally, is actually based on the electron shield of gold as an element

[PaladinOfTheSun]

Originally Posted by oshron

from the same TL as my Republic of Humankind flag, here's the flag of the Galactic Economic Community. im still developing its member-nations and the history of the GEC in general, but the idea is that it was founded millennia ago (2012 AD is supposed to be Galactic Standard Year 157,707). though i generally dont like the various ancient astronauts theories, ive decided that the Terran name for this race will be "Anunnaki" after a purported alien race that visited Earth to mine gold who were mistaken for gods. each different alien race featured in the story will have their own name for the race, but theyre basically the equivalent of the Forerunners from Halo. at some point, the anunnaki are (nearly) wiped out, long before any of the current members of the GEC even reach space, so they're pretty much myth and legend by the time humans enter the community around 2500 AD. the GEC is basically like the EU. but in space.

now for the symbolism of the flag: the array of circles in the top-center represent the member-nations of the GEC, specifically each species homeworld, with additional planets and circular rings added appropriately when new nations join the community. the largest circle in the center represents the anunnaki homeworld (im thinking of making it so that their homeworld is composed primarily of gold and that their atmosphere will be red, hence the different coloring, as well as being fucking HUGE, like as big as jupiter huge). the dark blue field represents the void of space while the purple shapes on each side (actually colored-in, blurred, and rotated dragon curves) are supposed to represent large groups of stars and other stuff floating in space, such as nebulae as seen from the perspective of the anunnaki, since they designed the flag initially. the array of circles, incidentally, is actually based on the electron shield of gold as an element

Now, that is a cool flag! The array of rings and dots might look better closer to the center of the flag, though.

[oshron]

the original intention was for a couple of golden dragon curves to be located below the array (i had intended to make the dragon curve the GEC's monetary symbol) and i had originally centered it based on that

[metastasis_d]

It looks like an atom drawing from Chemistry, with electrons represented.

[oshron]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

It looks like an atom drawing from Chemistry, with electrons represented.

precisely

the array of circles, incidentally, is actually based on the electron shield of gold as an element

[Cèsar de Quart]

Originally Posted by Laplace's Demon

There's an interpretation I tend to agree with that the Britannian Empire is actually meant to represent the dark side of Japanese culture (the militarism, colonialism, and twisted sense of chivalry of the Showa period) rather than the United States or even the West in general. However, allegory does not translate super-well into historically-minded alternate history.

That's part of my point: With Britannia, I never felt I was watching a Western country. I was more similar to some kind of Utena weird madness than an actual, plausible, Western bizarre British-turned-tyrant Empire.

Although, why not, Chales I flees from Cornwell to America and raises there an Empire while consumes himself in anger and contempt xD

Anyway, there's a fine work there, Deathgod, in your deviant art account. I like the Napoleonic wank.

[Yorel]

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

I think Code Geass is too weird and it makes little sense to seek a "historical" plausible approach. It's Japanese writers looking for a spooky, cool environment for a Japan-Rebel Alliance versus The Evil Empire.

But it makes very little sense alltogether. I learned about it here, in this forums, I gave it a try and... well, it makes little sense.

I don't think you'll find anyone objecting you on the wacky AH backrgound of Code Geass. There's nothing that really makes sense: the Celtic POD should have led to a completely different world unless there is a butterfly-killing at one point, the 55BC=1a.t.b. screws up the tech logic, there are three huge space-filling Empires (Britannia, Chinese Federation and EU), etc...

That coupled with a few details (Lelouch being 17th in line while his sister is 100th or so for example) completely kills the background. Doesn't stop the series from having a pretty good plot and story though.

Originally Posted by Laplace's Demon

There's an interpretation I tend to agree with that the Britannian Empire is actually meant to represent the dark side of Japanese culture (the militarism, colonialism, and twisted sense of chivalry of the Showa period) rather than the United States or even the West in general. However, allegory does not translate super-well into historically-minded alternate history.

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

That's part of my point: With Britannia, I never felt I was watching a Western country. I was more similar to some kind of Utena weird madness than an actual, plausible, Western bizarre British-turned-tyrant Empire.

Personnally, I think Britannia is full of clichés regarding Evil Empires... Segregation between Britannians and Non-Britannians coupled with Racism, Militaristic Totalitarian government (disguised as a Monarchy here), Warring Empire, etc...

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

Anyway, there's a fine work there, Deathgod, in your deviant art account. I like the Napoleonic wank.

I agree. You do a fine work with your coat of arms and flags. I do not necessarily agree on what you do, but it's still well done

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

Anyway, there's a fine work there, Deathgod, in your deviant art account. I like the Napoleonic wank.

Originally Posted by Yorel

I agree. You do a fine work with your coat of arms and flags. I do not necessarily agree on what you do, but it's still well done

Thanks, you too ^^
Well, I need backstory for my fanfiction, and lots of it. How could I else describe the seat counts in the House of Lords XD (25% of votes lead to 75% of seats for HIM Government -- oh the wonders of autocratic FPTP XD)
Note, though, that the Eowyn POD can be explained away as a modern propaganda legend.

[Iserlohn]

An idea which sounded a lot better on paper... A simpler flag for Tibet.

[Kaiphranos]

Just something I was fiddling around with this afternoon. It'll go along with my entry for Map of the Fortnight this round, eventually...

[Martin23230]

Originally Posted by Iserlohn

An idea which sounded a lot better on paper... A simpler flag for Tibet.

I don't know, that looses a lot of the symbolism. Assuming you are trying to simplify the current flag, rather than just pick a new one, here is my take on it: