Flag Thread III

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Condottiere

Made a flag for my Greater Serbian Empire in Moderated Games, and figured I'd showcase it here for archiving purposes...and to show off my awesome skills at being able to insert images into flags...

What's that got to do with Serbia? It looks vaguely "Commie-Nazi" what with the combination of the overall Nazi-esque flag design and angular fascistic eagle coupled to the cogwheel symbolism one associates with communist and similar regimes.

[oshron]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Be my guest! Just give me some credit.

Here's the non-textured version for you:

aah, thank you! i'll paste that into photoshop before i forget

[Napoleon53]

Originally Posted by oshron

aah, thank you! i'll paste that into photoshop before i forget

Very welcome. Curious, what are you going to use it for?

[Martin23230]

Originally Posted by Thande

... the new British Olympic kit they've just unveiled has the Union Jack in blue and green instead of blue and red and nobody seems to mind.

Not the impression I've gotten from looking at comments/asking people. And I do agree that it is a bit of an odd decision, not that I particularly dislike it. Playing around with flags is always going to upset some people, that's the point of symbolism.

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Be my guest! Just give me some credit.

Here's the non-textured version for you:

maybe just a minor modification: the crown could be tilted a bit to follow the angle of the head of the eagle. Otherwise, nice subtle way to recuperate a symbol.

[Napoleon53]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

maybe just a minor modification: the crown could be tilted a bit to follow the angle of the head of the eagle. Otherwise, nice subtle way to recuperate a symbol.

Thanks, Marc!

I know, but I couldn't figure out a way to do it in my programs.

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by NikoZnate

Clearly it needs more obvious villainousness (Imagine my shock at discovering that "villainousness" is an actual word! The more you know...)

Oh, and possibly an actual Serbian symbol or two...

maybe the firesteels could be added ?

[Analytical Engine]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

maybe the firesteels could be added ?

That would be an awesome fascist Byzantium flag (if the white things were of the proper orientation).

[Condottiere]

Originally Posted by Thande

What's that got to do with Serbia? It looks vaguely "Commie-Nazi" what with the combination of the overall Nazi-esque flag design and angular fascistic eagle coupled to the cogwheel symbolism one associates with communist and similar regimes.

Well it was more of a flag for the pseudo-Nazi labour organization that had been created in Serbia. I just decided to take the cog, white out the swatzika, and add something that looked enough like an eagle to pass. Though I am kicking myself now that I didn't add firesteels like Marc just did.

[JJDXB]

My proposal for the flag of a union between France, England and Scotland in Thespitron6000's TL A More Personal Union



The triple crowns, of course, represent the 3 kingdoms under Henri III le Cyclope.

[Vexacus]

Originally Posted by JJDXB

My proposal for the flag of a union between France, England and Scotland in Thespitron6000's TL A More Personal Union



The triple crowns, of course, represent the 3 kingdoms under Henri III le Cyclope.

So the flag is a red X?

[JJDXB]

Originally Posted by Vexacus

So the flag is a red X?

Fixed?

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by JJDXB

My proposal for the flag of a union between France, England and Scotland in Thespitron6000's TL A More Personal Union



The triple crowns, of course, represent the 3 kingdoms under Henri III le Cyclope.

It could be personnal taste but the mixture of crosses and arms on the same flag look odd to me. It might simply be that I'm used to seeing them on separate designs.

[NikoZnate]

Originally Posted by Condottiere

Well it was more of a flag for the pseudo-Nazi labour organization that had been created in Serbia. I just decided to take the cog, white out the swatzika, and add something that looked enough like an eagle to pass. Though I am kicking myself now that I didn't add firesteels like Marc just did.

Put the firesteels/Cyrillic S's the right way and it would look better, and possibly use the actual Serbian eagle as well (potentially grasping swords in its talons?)

[Martin23230]

Many people, many better vexillographers than I, have attempted to combine the British (or English and Scottish) and French flags. It does remind me of an alternate idea I was messing around with; why not combine the colours and not just the designs. I mean it was all the rage in Germany.

So you could take the colours of the arms, blue and gold for France, red and gold for England and gold and red for Scotland, and combine them into something like this (with or without arms):



Or, you could say, unlike some countries, that the national colours aren't the same as the colours from the arms. In which case you would take them from the flags, blue and white for France, red and white for England, blue and white for Scotland. You could quite easily combine them into something like this:



And quite honestly I made that following the above thought process, and laughed.

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by NikoZnate

Put the firesteels/Cyrillic S's the right way and it would look better, and possibly use the actual Serbian eagle as well (potentially grasping swords in its talons?)

if by "right way" you mean straight, I disagree not from an heraldic but from a visual point of view: the central object is dynamic and by having the firesteels at an angle you reinforce that image.

I agree with the eagle though unless within the ATL the organisation represented purposfully chose an eagle with a certain position (like the eagle of the luftwaffe).

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Many people, many better vexillographers than I, have attempted to combine the British (or English and Scottish) and French flags. It does remind me of an alternate idea I was messing around with; why not combine the colours and not just the designs. I mean it was all the rage in Germany.

So you could take the colours of the arms, blue and gold for France, red and gold for England and gold and red for Scotland, and combine them into something like this (with or without arms):



Or, you could say, unlike some countries, that the national colours aren't the same as the colours from the arms. In which case you would take them from the flags, blue and white for France, red and white for England, blue and white for Scotland. You could quite easily combine them into something like this:



And quite honestly I made that following the above thought process, and laughed.

Something based on a similar logic I came up with:



the problem that one of the british member brought up was that it would be perceiced as "continental" by most british subject due to the lack of any real tradition of bi/tri-color in the isles.

[NikoZnate]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

Something based on a similar logic I came up with:

*flag snipped*

the problem that one of the british member brought up was that it would be perceiced as "continental" by most british subject due to the lack of any real tradition of bi/tri-color in the isles.

Whoa, I LIKE it! Normally Anglo-French Union flags make me cringe at their ham-fistedness, but that one's really well done.

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

Something based on a similar logic I came up with:



the problem that one of the british member brought up was that it would be perceiced as "continental" by most british subject due to the lack of any real tradition of bi/tri-color in the isles.

I like it, would switch France and Scotland around, though, for reasons of population and aesthetics. Or perhaps use my example on the last page (Quarterly I and IV Great Britain (England impaling Scotland), II France, III Ireland).

[JJDXB]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

-snip-

They are a lot better than my proposal

I took inspiration from the early flags of Spain, which were arms-based, and as the unification in this timeline is around 1600, I thought it made sense at the time.