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March 21st, 2011, 07:42 PM
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She is a linchpin character for this tl; so nothing is going to happen to her for now; sorry
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March 22nd, 2011, 07:56 PM
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Giving in (Chapter 5) Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He’d better have a bodyguard - Senator Jesse Helms
Washington DC February 4th 1996 (Approximately sic sic 6 weeks into Monica's pregnancy) The day overwhelmed Monica Lewinsky, the emotion and drama where more than her fragile psyche could handle. It was compounded she went into the Oval Office, Bill was there alone. He was happy to see her, she could tell Numbed by how hard she had cried all day she was able to put on an excellent poker face as she hugged and kissed the President of the United States. She noticed that change again in him, since they had escalated to sex, he seemed a bit more affectionate, and warmer to her, they made no small talk and eager to release the frustrations of their lives, again they made love, as usual, shame and nervousness kicked in almost immediately Monica desperately wanted to tell him, but at the same time was so tremendously nervous and scared that the words couldn't come. She instead settled for telling Bill she cared about him whilst she composed herself and put her clothes back on. He responded back that he was sorry their time together always had to be so rushed and so secretive. With that Bill had to take an important phone call and Monica had to return to work; the secret remained for now.. Meanwhile at the US capitol building senate majority leader Robert (Bob) Dole of Kansas lay in a heap at the bottom of the steps leading from the building, he had slipped on a small puddle, and been unable to grab a railing due to his paralyzed arm and suffered a severe concussion, a busted lip, and a broken wrist in his good hand. He would end up needing to be hospitalized for 3 days before doctors felt him safe enough to go home. A number of visitors poured in Walter Reed hospital over the following days including speaker Gingrich and President Clinton. Something seemed to change in Dole's demeanor, if it was the scare of the fall, or a side effect of the concussion nobody ever knew, but despite his supposed front runner status for the upcoming primary season, he said "I can't even put my hand on a bible now" and turned down all suggestions of his running. His exploratory committee shut down, and media speculation moved on to other candidates.... to be continued... thoughts?
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March 22nd, 2011, 08:05 PM
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Ouch, poor Bob. Wonder who's gonna run against Clinton now.
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 bob dole doesn't need this would have been too obvious of a linebut he will not be the republican nominee for president in 1996
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March 22nd, 2011, 09:35 PM
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Buchanan is not the GOP's candidate. Neither is Forbes.
I was out of the country that half decade, so I don't really know, but maybe someone like Pete Wilson. Or a 'draft Colin Powell' movement or even a 'draft Schwarzkopf' movement. None of these are all that exciting of a candidate, however. From the OTL primaries, I can also see Lamar Alexander or Richard Lugar as real possibilities. Wild possibility--Perot tries to refashion himself as a Republican. McCain would actually be a fairly attractive candidate if it weren't for the proximity of the Keating scandal. Hmm. McCain '96 is *really* intriguing. Especially if he makes a serious run but his own history with his first wife knocks him out of the primaries just when Clinton is experiencing similar difficulties.
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:43 PM
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i don't really have an opinion on Tripp one way or another. Still, without considering politics, i'm surprised at some of the ignorance of the political situation of the mid 90's shown by some posters. i remember seeing a campaign sticker on a car bumper that stated "Bob Dole IS 96". No matter what one's political ideology happens to be, that statement pretty much summed up the 96 election. If the people who the scandal would matter to didn't vote --a contention that is highly suspect--, it would be simply because neither candidate appealed to them. Dole was a Republican Establishment pick, and the Republican Establishment has a history of alienating the Conservative base of the party. DISCLAIMER: i am NOT a Republican or a Democrat. Generally speaking, i can't see Clinton getting into much difficulty with the pregnancy. At least not enough to take him out of the running against Dole (who has been removed at this point). Where i can see trouble is the same place Nixon got into trouble, that would be trying to cover up the scandal. The one area where the Clinton administration is puzzling is in the lengths they went to in order to head off possible scandals. If anything they went too far on some cases where the incidents were perfectly within the President's perogatives, such as the White House Travel Office firings, where no explanation was required at all, as those people serve at the pleasure of the President. This hyper-sensitivity of the Clinton Administration is what would cause trouble for the President. Unfortunately, a pregnant intern tends to nullify the "nuts & sluts" defense that Carville used most of the time. Anybody with half a brain realises that Monica didn't get pregnant by herself.
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March 23rd, 2011, 12:06 PM
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Bob Dole has fallen, and Bob Dole can't get up.
This is a very interesting timeline. Somehow, I just can't see anything bringing Clinton down. They don't call him teflon Bill, or slick Willie for nothing. Unless he makes a horrible error, like pushes Monica down a flight of steps on camera, I can't see him going down for this. The press and alot of the general public loved the guy. Only the GOP hated him. Even with Dole out of the way, and the scandal hanging over him, who can beat him? Powell maybe, but your really going to have a hard sell in even getting him to run. Anyone in Clinton's own party with the gravitas and moxie to take him on? I can't think of any.
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Don't fall into the trap of viewing 1996 Clinton through 2000 or later glasses... despite the economic recovery, he didn't even get 50 percent of the vote in 1996
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March 24th, 2011, 03:39 PM
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Runner up! (Chapter 6) - Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
Baton Rouge Louisiana February 7th 1996 SENATOR PHIL GRAMM OF TEXAS CARRIES THE LOUISIANA CAUCUS! read the headline of all the local newspapers. It was a strange whirlwind, Dole had only fallen a couple of days before, but enough of his supporters jumped ship to fellow establishment candidate Phil Gramm to give him a solid victory over the upstart political commentator Patrick Buchanan. Gramm had a massive war chest that he had been building for over 2 years, and outside of Dole himself, was one of the most established men running for the nomination. The god's seemed to be smiling on him, because not only had Dole fallen down (with a recovery that at best looked slow at that time) but Pete Wilson, the Republican governor of California had come down with throat cancer and was unable to speak; which in effect removed the two people who would have leached a lot of votes away from Gramm Winning the Louisiana Caucus was huge, not in delagates, but in media coverage. Article after article, and one cable news commentator after the next started to claim Gramm was the new front runner; which put a tremendous amount of wind at his back On February 12th, Gramm won the Iowa caucus, he could owe his victory both to Dole announcing he was out of the running, and his wife transferring staff and assets to Gramm AND friendly pundits talking up his campaign. Seeing Gramm gaining a lot of momentum put people out of the race, Alan Keyes, Richard Lugar, Arlen Specter and Harold Stassen dropped out of the race, with many of their backers and more importantly their doners going to Gramm Gramm carried Delaware on February 24th which was thought to be a bedrock for businessman Steve Forbes. Following this defeat Forbes dropped out of the race and endorsed Gramm which allowed even more money to flow into his campaign coffers. On February 27th won North and South Dakota, and the Arizona primary, which would cement himself in the nomination. After a poor 3rd place showing in all three contests, former governor Lamar Alexander dropped out of the race and endorsed Gramm. Patrick Buchanan held on, claiming to be the bastion of conservatism in the race, but for all purposes it was over as Gramm's wave became unstoppable. When Gramm carried Wyoming and South Carolina (thought to be a possible pick up for Buchanan where he might be able to slow Gramm's momentum) it was all over. By super Tudesday on March 5th the party had largely coalesced around Gramm and he picked up large numbers of delegates and began switching the orientation of his campaign to general election mode. meanwhile, during these 4 weeks, Monica Lewinsky still had not told President Clinton that she was carrying his child; more than once she worked up the courage, however, she had not been able to see him alone during this time, and she had resolved that no matter what she would not have an abortion without telling him first. On super Tuesday her pregnancy stood at 10 weeks to be continued... thoughts?
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March 24th, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Phil Gram huh? Interesting choice, wonder who he'll pick as his running mate. I don't know mucha bout the guy.
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March 24th, 2011, 04:02 PM
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Is Ross Perot going to still be running in 1996? He took 8.4% of the popular vote in OTL, I wonder what he would get with Graham in the race.
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 )Nearly two decades younger than Dole, and a ruthless political operative The POD isn't just Dole falling down and the nomination going to Gramm... but also the Republican nominee has had a MUCH clearer sail through the primary season. In OTL, Buchanan winning the Louisiana primary was critical to building up support for his candidacy AND killing Gramm's (even though Phil almost won the Iowa Caucus anyway) here with behind the scenes support from Dole's apparatus, Gramm carries Louisiana, short circuiting Buchanan, and with Dole gone by the Iowa Caucus, Gramm carries that too, cementing himself as front runner and taking the wind out of any serious challenger's sails In OTL, Dole had to waste a ton of effort and money to beat Buchanan which left him in a poor position to take on Clinton in the general (on the top of the fact that he was not the most inspiring Republican ever picked for national office)
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March 24th, 2011, 04:13 PM
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This TL continues to intrigue... I can't wait to see how the public reacts!
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March 24th, 2011, 05:44 PM
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This is getting good. Keep it coming!
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March 24th, 2011, 05:59 PM
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I agree, keep it coming. I take it Monica is not got to get an abortion or miscarry?
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March 24th, 2011, 07:04 PM
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Can you print that for me? (Chapter 7) I believe in a zone of privacy - Hillary Clinton
Washington DC March 31st 1996 (Approximately 14 weeks into Monica's pregnancy) Monica couldn't put it off any longer, for the last 5 weeks, she had made appointments and then canceled them at the Office of Contemporary Women's Care. She was determined before she saw an ultra sound, or consulted with her doctor again that she would tell Bill; however, the situation for the two of them to be alone to discuss it refused to come up, and continued to look that way as the campaign season for Bill's reelection started to heat up. Her doctor called her personally and asked her to come in, saying they had to check on the pregnancy and make sure everything was OK and that she couldn't put off a checkup. It was a strange balance Monica had come to strike... she could thank god it wasn't obvious she was pregnant yet (this was mostly because her stomach was so unsettled that she couldn't eat very much, which so far had kept her from gaining any weight), she was taking the pre-natal vitamins religiously and seemingly every day found herself shielding her belly from potential bumps, or staring at pregnant women or women with young children... whilst in the back of her mind still leaving abortion on the table. She was shown into her exam room where the ultra sound machine and a monitor where set up for her. The technician came in and congratulated her after the exam nurse had taken her vitals and some fluid samples ... Monica strangely (so she thought) thanked the tech for her good wishes. The tech dimmed the lights, squirted the cool ultrasound gel on her belly and began tracing the ultrasound want to get a picture of the baby. Monica was overcome when the 14 week old fetus came into view. She could see the reverberating outline of its heart within its chest as the tech focused the wand on it (the pressure and pain of the wand pressing on her belly being lost in the amazement of the images on the screen). The tech advised Monica that she would now hear the baby's heart beat as she pressed a button on the machine which isolated it, and a rapid thump thump thump filled the room. The tech recorded the rate whilst Monica started to cry. Is the rate normal she asked? The tech replied yes, and then for another 10 minutes focused on various parts of the baby in order to measure it's approximate size (the tech saying the baby was about the size of a lemon)... the tech programmed this information into a computer program and advised Monica that the machine estimated her due date at September 21st. Can you print me a picture of the baby Monica asked? The tech answered yes and pressed a button on the machine which started an inkjet printer in its bottom tray. When it was complete she pulled the page out and handed it to Monica and advised her that everything looked great, and that the doctor would be by to check on her in a few moments Monica had been allowed to wear her street clothes during the ultrasound but had to change into the gown again for the doctor's exam. During the few minutes before her doctor came to see her, she stared deeply at the picture on the paper, you could make out the baby's head and hand pretty clearly... tear's rolled down her face, she was infatuated Doctor: Hello Monica, I'm so glad you came in, how are you feeling Monica: My stomach is better, I'm taking the vitamins like you said, I feel alright. Doctor: Good, (the doctor reading the tech's notes) well everything looks solid, you and the baby are healthy Monica: I was so scared for the first scan, its amazing how clear the picture is Doctor: The first scan always amazes new mothers, so have we decided on a course dear? Monica: (Staring deeply at the printed picture, the sound of the heartbeat etched and repeating in her mind) I... I want to keep the baby Doctor: Good for you dear (She hugged Monica who was once again beset by tears) Monica: It's so beautiful, I can't abort it Doctor: That's fine Monica, I need to see you back in 6 weeks for another checkup... if you feel something is wrong or you need me sooner call right away, and you should sign up for the hospital's new mother's class, they have them the first Monday of every month, you'll get a lot of good tips there, and you'll probably make some friends for you and the baby The doctor left and Monica dressed. She held the piece of paper with the picture of her baby tightly and looked at it again and again. She made her next appointment for May 15th and took a pamphlet to sign up for the parenting class and another pack of pre-natal vitamins. She went home before going to work for the day, she had two phone calls to make... to be continued... thoughts? two updates in one day because YOU deserve it
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