List of Presidents of An Advancement of Learning
United States (pre-division)
George Washington (Independent) 1790-1797
John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1801
Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) 1801-1809
James Madison (Democratic-Republican) 1809-1817
James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) 1817-1825
John Quincy Adams (National Republican) 1825-1829
Andrew Jackson (Democratic) 1829-1837
Martin Van Buren (Democratic) 1837-1841
James Gillespie Birney (Liberty) 1841-1845
Littleton W. Tazewell (Democratic) 1845-1853
John Middleton Clayton (Whig) 1853-1857
Millard Fillmore (Whig) 1857-1861
Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 1861-1865
United States (post-division)
Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 1865-1869
Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic) 1869-1877
Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 1877-1881
Samuel J. Tilden (Democratic) 1881-1889
Alfred Thayer Mahan (Democratic) 1889-1894
Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1894-1???
Confederate States (post-division)
Joseph Lane (Whig) 1865-1873
Alexander Stephens (Radical) 1873-1881
Robert Tyler (Whig) 1881-1889
Fitzhugh Lee (Radical Liberal) 1889-18??
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Clement Attlee (Labour) - 1945-1950 
Herbert Morrison (Labour) - 1950-1956 
Hugh Gaitskell (Labour) - 1956-1959 
Rab Butler (Conservative) - 1959-1968 
Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal) -1968-1983 
Edward Heath (Conservative) - 1983-1985 
Michael Heseltine (Conservative) - 1985-1992 
Gordon Brown (Labour) - 1992-1999 
Tony Blair (Labour) - 1999 
William Hague (Conservative) - 1999-2003 
Charles Kennedy (Liberal) - 2003-2006 
Lembit Opik (Liberal) - 2006-2008 
Ed Balls (Labour) - 2008-present 
 - Oversaw the creation of the NHS and nationalization of various industries, as well as decolonization. Retired in 1950 to make way for his 'natural successor' - Herbert Morrison.
 - Won a general election victory in 1950 with a majority of 110 (Labour's second consecutive landslide). Continued decolonization policies of his predecessor, but pursued more moderate economic policies. Privatised British Steel despite much opposition from the Bevanites. Won the 1954 general election with a reduced majority of 40. Retired in 1956.
 - Usually ranks among the worst British PMs due to the Suez Crisis. However, despite low approval ratings, his party remained loyal to him. Lost 1959 general election in a landslide to Rab Butler's Conservatives.
 - Came to office with a majority of 160 and lots of public goodwill. He and his young Chancellor Edward Heath largely continued the Keynesian economic policies of the previous Labour government in it's first term. However, after winning another election victory in 1963 (albeit with a reduced majority of 70), this all changed. Butler appointed Enoch Powell as Chancellor. Powell enacted monetarist policies, and the government's popularity tumbled. However, this was nothing compared to Butler's decision to send British forces into Vietnam in 1966, which led to protests and riots across Britain. Butler was urged to stand down before the 1968 election, but chose to fight it anyway ("I'll go down with this ship like a gentleman" he said in private). The Conservatives predictably lost, it wasn't quite as predictable a result as everyone expected....
 - First Liberal PM since David Lloyd George. Entered Downing Street on a wave of 'Thorpemania'. Withdrew all British troops from Vietnam by the end of his first term. Enacted liberal social reforms such as the decriminalization of homosexuality and abortion and the abolition of the death penalty. Re-nationalised British Steel. Did away with NHS internal market. Led the UK into the EEC. Won decisive election victories in 1972 and 1976 but his popularity waned after the 'Winter of Discontent' in 1979. Still managed to win a minority government in 1981. Surprised many by his 'Colonial' attitude in leading Britain to victory in the Falklands War, which led to revitalized approval ratings for him. His party was nevertheless narrowly defeated in the 1983 snap general election. Often ranked as the greatest post-war PM.
 - Finally entered Downing Street as PM in 1983 (with a minority administration), having been Tory leader since 1972. Having to deal with a big budget deficit, he oversaw cuts in public spending and tax rises. Never popular as PM and many thought that his time had passed even before his 1983 election victory. Retired in 1985.
 - Continued the 'Powellite' economic policies of his predecessor. Staunchly pro-Europe. Won a small majority in the 1987 election due to the decline of the Liberal Party. Defeated in the autumn 1992 election following the ERM crisis.
 - First Labour PM since Hugh Gaitskell. From the 'soft-left' of his party, Brown has surprisingly Eurosceptic tendencies. Held a referendum on the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, which the electorate voted Yes to. Oversaw record rises in public spending. Dramatically increased police numbers, which led to a relatively low crime rate by the end of his Premiership. Stood down in 1999 with high approval ratings and an economic boom.
 - The 'Forgotten' PM, Blair had charisma but couldn't convert it into an election victory in 1999. PM for just four months.
 - A right-winger, Hague and his Chancellor Michael Portillo kept Britain out of the Euro despite pressure from many cabinet members to enter. Entered the 'War on Terror' with the U.S. following 9/11. Lost a Commons vote on Iraq War authorization. Defeated in a general election a few months later.
 - Having seen his party's vote share increase from just 8% to 36% in four years, many had high hopes (or fears) that Kennedy would be another Thorpe. However, his time in Downing Street was overshadowed by press rumours that he was an alcoholic. Confirmed these rumours in 2006, and resigned.
 - 'Too funny to be PM' said many, Opik angered the Liberal base by introducing university tuition fees. Lost the 2008 general election.
 - Gordon Brown's protégé, Balls gained worldwide praise for his response to the 2008 financial crisis. Popularity has since flagged due to an increasing national debt. Labour currently trails in the opinion polls to Michael Gove's Conservatives.
Governors General oF Canada, 1900-present:
Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound, 4th Earl of Minto: 1898-1904
Albert Henry George Grey, 4th Earl Grey: 1904-1911
Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn: 1911-1916
Victor Christian William Cavendish, 9th Duke of Devonshire: 1916-1921
Field Marshal Julian Hedworth George Byng, 1st Viscount Byng of Vimy: 1921-1926
Major Freeman Freeman-Thomas, 1st Marquess of Willingdon: 1926-1931
Captain Vere Brabazon Ponsonby, 9th Earl of Bessborough: 1931-1935
John Buchan, 1st Baron Tweedsmuir: 1935-1940
Major-General Alexander Augustus Frederick William Alfred George Cambridge, 1st Earl of Athlone: 1940-1946
Lieutenant-General Andrew McNaughton: 1946-1953 
General Henry Duncan Graham Crerar: 1953-1958
Major-General Georges-Philéas Vanier: 1958-1965
Robert Winters: 1965-1971
Lt Col. John George Diefenbaker: 1971-1977 
Lieutenant-General Howard Douglas Graham: 1977-1985
Group Captain Maxwell 'Max' Ward: 1985-1992
Major Pierre Elliot Trudeau VC: 1992-1997 
General Romeo Dallaire: 1997-2004 
Captain (N) Jean Chretien: 2004-2011 
Air Vice-Marshal Douglas 'Doug' Gilmour: 2011-Present 
1: Mackenzie-King and McNaughton don't have their falling out in 1945, and thus McNaughton becomes the fisrt Canadian-born Governor General of Canada.
2: Dief found that his place was in the army and continued his military service after WWI. (POD)
3. PET had a slightly different upbringing and volunteered for service in 1939. Became a lawyer after the war before entering politics in the late '50s
4. Commanded the NATO force that liberated Iceland from Soviet control in 1993.
5. Joined the RCN at the age of 18 and never looked back.
6. Former fighter pilot who became Canada's first astronaut in 1988.
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Presidents of the United States of America
32. 1933-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
33. 1945-1957: Harry S Truman (Democratic)
34. 1957-1965: Harold Stassen (Republican)
35. 1965-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
36. 1969-1977: Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic)
37. 1977-1981: Gerald Ford (Republican)
38. 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (Democratic)
39. 1989-1993: Jeane Kirkpatrick (Democratic)
40. 1993-1997: Paul Tsongas (Republican)
41. 1997-2005: John Danforth (Republican)
42. 2005-2013: Paul Wellstone (Democratic)
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Part of a timeline I'm working on where FDR only does two terms.
1940: REP William Wilkie-Charles McNary
1944: REP Arthur Vandenberg-Harold Stassen
1948: REP Arthur Vandenberg-Harold Stassen
1952: DEM Lyndon Baines Johnson-Ernest McFarland
1956: DEM Lyndon Baines Johnson-Ernest McFarland
1960: REP Richard Nixon-Henry Cabot Lodge
1964: REP Richard Nixon-Henry Cabot Lodge
1968: DEM Hubert Humphrey-Robert Kennedy
1972: DEM Hubert Humphrey-Robert Kennedy
1976: REP Nelson Rockefeller-Howard Baker
1980: REP Nelson Rockefeller-Howard Baker
1984: DEM John Glenn-Geraldine Ferraro
1988: REP Bob Dole-George H.W. Bush
1992: REP Bob Dole-George HW Bush
1996: DEM Bill Clinton-Mario Cuomo
2000: DEM Bill Clinton-Mario Cuomo
2004: REP George W. Bush-Jack Kemp
2008: REP George W. Bush-Jack Kemp
1941-1944 REP Wilkie-McNary (1) (2)
1944-1951 REP Vandenberg-Stassen (3)
1951-1953 REP Stassen
1953-1961 DEM LBJ-McFarland
1961-1969 REP Nixon-Lodge (4)
1969-1977 DEM Humphrey-RFK
1977-1985 REP Rockefeller-Baker (5)
1985-1989 DEM Glenn-Ferraro (6)
1989-1995 REP Dole-HW Bush
1997-2002 DEM Clinton-Cuomo (7)
2002-2005 DEM Cuomo
2005-2011 REP W Bush-Jack Kemp (8)
1) VP McNary dies Feb 25, 1944, cancer.
2) President Wilkie suffers 20 heart attacks while on a campaign train from Indianapolis back to DC. His personal physician urged him to get off the train and check into a hospital in Pittsburgh, but Wilkie insisted on returning to DC and resting in the White House. He reached the White House alive, but died two days later on October 8, 1944. Knowing he would likely die soon without a Vice President, he issued an Executive Order from his deathbed, decreeing that, in accordance with the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, in the event both the President and Vice President die, the Secretary of State will become the President, rather than just “acting President.” There is significant debate regarding the constitutionality of this Executive Order, with Democrats arguing that Secretary of State Arthur Vandenberg was not elected and should be “acting President” only until an actual election could take place. This was all theoretical debate, however, as the 1944 Presidential election was already scheduled just one month after Wilkie’s death. The Republican party scrambled to host another convention at the last moment, nominating (acting?) President Arthur Vandenberg to a full term. Vandenberg won the election, ending the debate that he was only the “acting president.” The President Succession Act of 1945 would address these and other concerns, ensuring such a crisis was unlikely to occur again. Notably, while it does allow anyone ascending to the President’s office the full Presidential title, it does not grant the President the power to appoint a new Vice President if the VP office becomes vacant.
3) Arthur Vandenberg is elected to his second full term in 1948. Combined with finishing out the end of Wilkie’s term, this puts Vandenberg in position to be our longest-serving President. However, he succumbs to cancer on April 18, 1951. VP Harold Stassen is elevated to the presidency.
4) Without the bitterness of being Eisenhower’s VP and then losing to Kennedy in 1960 followed by failing in a bid to become the Governor of California, Nixon is not quite so paranoid in this timeline, resulting in no Watergate scandal. Further, as a Republican and without LBJ’s pressuring, he avoids getting entangled in the battle between Governor Connelly and Senator Yarborough, and therefore isn’t in Dealy Plaza. At the close of his second term, several papers mention that he has broken The Curse of Tecumseh, where every President elected in a 20-year increment after William Henry Harrison (1840) died in office. Some suggest that Vandenberg broke the curse by dying out of turn, some put it on the fact that Wilkie died without a VP in 1940, some say the curse was only ever intended to work for 100 years, while others, of course, say the curse was nonsense in the first place.
5) President Rockefeller suffers a heart attack on January 26, 1979, but is rescued thanks to quick action by the secret service and the President’s physician. It isn’t revealed until 2010 that he was in the home of a mistress when he suffered the heart attack.
6) Geraldine Ferraro becomes the first female VP.
7) President Bill Clinton is shot and killed while visiting the troops in Afghanistan on August 10, 2002. While most make the obvious assumption that Clinton was assassinated, the Kennedy Commission (led by Senator John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr., who took his father’s seat when JFK Sr. retired in 1992) determines that the bullet was fired into the air to celebrate a wedding several miles away from the camp where Clinton was killed. According to the Commission’s report, it was sheer coincidence that the bullet came down on Clinton’s head, punching through his skull. Conspiracy theorists roll their eyes at this “Magic Bullet” theory, but CIA Director Lee H. Oswald stands behind it.
8) VP Jack Kemp dies of cancer on May 2, 2009.
Presidents of the United States of America
25. 1897-1901: William McKinley (Republican)
26. 1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
27. 1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
28. 1913-1917: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
29. 1917-1923: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
30. 1923-1933: Warren Harding (Republican)
31. 1933-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
32. 1945-1949: Harry S Truman (Democratic)
33. 1949-1957: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
34. 1957-1965: Earl Warren (Republican)
35. 1965-1973: Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
36. 1973-1977: George McGovern (Democratic)
37. 1977-1985: Charles Mathias (Republican)
38. 1985-1989: Ronald Reagan (Democratic)
39. 1989-1997: Edward Kennedy (Democratic)
40. 1997-2005: John Ellis Bush (Republican)
41. 2005-2009: John Edwards (Democratic)
42. 2009-present: Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democratic)
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Okay, for fun I'm doing a thing where the nominee who came in second in their party's nomination balloting wins the nomination/primaries (nominee has to have more than 5% of delegate/primary vote). From there, I guess on who would've won the election. If a nominee ran unopposed, they will still win the nomination. Weird rules, but who gives a shit.
1900: William McKinley (Republican) - defeats William Jennings Bryan (D), Eugene Debs (SD), Silas Swallow (Proh), Milford W. Howard (Pop), and Valentine Remmel (SL)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) - defeats William Randolph Hearst (D), Eugene Debs (S), Silas Swallow (Proh), and William V. Allen (Pop)
1908: Philander Knox (Republican) - defeats George Gray (D), James F. Carey (S), William Palmore (Proh), and Thomas E. Watson (Pop)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) - defeats Woodrow Wilson (D), Emil Seidel (S), and Eugene Chafin (Proh)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic) - defeats James W. Weeks (R), James H. Maurer (S), and William Sulzer (Proh)
1920: Leonard Wood (Republican) - defeats William McAdoo (D) and Eugene Debs (S)
1924: Calvin Coolidge (Republican) - defeats William McAdoo (D) and Robert La Follette (Prg)
1928: Frank Lowden (Republican) - defeats Walter F. George (D)
1932: Al Smith (Democratic) - defeats Herbet Hoover (R) and Norman Thomas (S)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) - defeats Alf Landon (R) and William Lemke (U)
1940: James Farley (Democratic) - defeats Robert Taft (R)
1944: Thomas Dewey (Republican) - defeats Harry F. Byrd (D)
1948: Henry Wallace (Progressive) - defeats Richard Russell (D) and Robert Taft (R)
1952: Etes Kefauver (Democratic) - defeats Robert Taft (R)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) - defeats Averell Harriman (D)
1960: Richard Nixon (Republican) - defeats Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1964: William Scranton (Republican) - defeats Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1968: Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) - defeats Eugene McCarthy (D) and George Wallace (AI)
1972: Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic) - defeats Richard Nixon (R)
1976: Ronald Reagan (Republican) - defeats Mo Udall (D)
1980: Ted Kennedy (Democratic) - defeats George H.W Bush (R) and John Anderson (I)
1984: Gary Hart (Democratic) - defeats Ronald Reagan (R)
1988: Bob Dole (Republican) - defeats Jesse Jackson (D)
1992: Jerry Brown (Democratic) - defeats Ross Perot (I) and Pat Buchanan (R)
1996: Richard Lamm (Reform) - defeats Ralph Nader (G), Pat Buchanan (R) and Lyndon LaRouche (D)
2000: John McCain (Republican) - defeats Bill Bradley (D), Donald Trump (RF), and Jello Biafra (G)
2004: John Edwards (Democratic)- defeats George W. Bush (R)
2008: Hillary Clinton (Democratic) - defeats Mitt Romney (R)
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Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1964-1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1974-1976: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1976-1979: Reginald Maulding (Conservative)
1979-1990: Michael Foot (Labour)
1990-1997: Peter Shore (Labour)
1997-2007: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)
2007-2010: George Osborne (Conservative)
2010-present: Alan Johnson (Labour)
As of 2012, Alan Johnson and the Labour Party rule Britain in coalition with the Liberal Nationals (no, not the OTL party), a merger of the One Nation Conservative Party (which split from the increasingly right-wing Conservatives in the 1980s) and the Liberal Party. Foot is clearly the Thatcher analogue here, and in this world, Thatcher led the Conservatives down to defeat in 1983 with a rather disastrous, far-right election manifesto.
Following that thumping, the Conservatives moved to the center, allowing 'New Conservative' Ken Clarke to be named PM in 1997 in one of the largest landslides ever for the Conservative Party.
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Not necessarily the worst presidential results (so don't be offended), but the results (with OTL candidates) most likely to cause unrest, panics, wars and mayhem. I confined this to options from the Retrospectives, not everybody on the ballot, because having Daniel Webster elected post-mortem or Leonard Peltier becoming President fifteen times is a little too out there even for this ASB list.
Robert H. Harrison (Federalist) / George Washington (Independent) April 30, 1789 - March 4, 1793 (The least qualified Presidential candidate with the most qualified VP – a power imbalance that would taint the beginning of the republic)
George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) / John Adams (Federalist) March 4, 1793 - March 4, 1797 (An opponent of the Constitution as the second president elected under the Constitution, sharing office with one of its most ardent defenders)
Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican) / John Adams (Federalist) March 4, 1797 - March 4, 1805 (An aggressive and prickly opponent of Federalism who killed one of his political opponents and, according to some accounts, treasonously tried to set up a kingdom for himself in Louisiana - not a man to set a stable path to democracy)
Thomas Jefferson / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1805 - March 4, 1809 (While Jefferson has his good points, he was a believer in nullification and would contribute to the radical D-R trend in this list)
James Madison / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1809 - March 4, 1813 (War with Britain that financially ruined New England to the extent that some political leaders contemplated secession)
James Madison / Elbridge Gerry (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1813 - November 23, 1814
James Madison / [vacant] (Democratic-Republican) November 23, 1814 - March 4, 1817
James Monroe / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1817 - March 4, 1825 (Continuing one-party rule bound to infuriate the New Englanders and further strain the nation)
Andrew Jackson / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican) March 4, 1825 - March 4, 1829 (Genocidal, expansionist thug who promoted states’ rights and tore up the central bank)
Andrew Jackson / John C. Calhoun (Democratic) March 4, 1829 - March 4, 1833
Andrew Jackson / Martin Van Buren (Democratic) March 4, 1833 - March 4, 1837
Daniel Webster / Francis Granger (Whig) March 4, 1837 - March 4, 1841 (Proud elitist who hated the poor, a radical departure from the populists America is used to in this list)
James G. Birney / Thomas Earle (Liberty) March 4, 1841 - March 4, 1845 (Single-issue abolitionist candidate bound to infuriate the South)
James G. Birney / Thomas Morris (Liberty) March 4, 1845 - March 4, 1849
Gerrit Smith / Charles C. Foote (Liberty) March 4, 1849 - March 4, 1853 (Single-issue abolitionist who was briefly committed to a mental institution and financed John Brown)
George Troup / John A. Quitman (Southern Rights) March 4, 1853 - March 4, 1857 (Blatantly sectionalist and pro-slavery party)
John C. Frémont / William L. Dayton (Republican) March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861 (Aggressive and hawkish opponent of slavery, more likely to cause trouble than even Lincoln)
Abraham Lincoln / Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865 (A great man, but the casus belli for the Civil War)
George B. McClellan / George H. Pendleton (Democratic) March 4, 1965 – March 4 1869 (Peace on terms favorable to the South, meaning everyone has sacrificed in vain)
Horatio Seymour / Francis Preston Blair, Jr. (Democratic) March 4, 1869 - March 4, 1873 (Reconstruction is killed in its tracks and the South gets away scot-free, dashing the hopes of freedmen even more abruptly and enraging Northern veterans)
Charles J. Jenkins / Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic) March 4, 1873 – March 4, 1877 (Georgia governor who had served under the CSA and fought Reconstruction, and a Northern Democrat who opposed emancipation. Both chosen by electors after the crisis caused by the death of the victorious Liberal Republican candidate Horace Greeley.)
Peter Cooper / Samuel F. Cary (Greenback) March 4, 1877 - March 4, 1881 (His election could cause an economic panic among the financial elite)
Neal S. Dow / Henry Adams Thompson (Prohibition) March 4, 1881 -March 4, 1885 (An authoritarian moron focused primarily on a non-issue when the country needed serious leadership)
Benjamin Butler / Absolom M. West (Greenback) March 4, 1885 - March 4, 1889 (His repressive occupation of Louisiana, while defendable in the North and in modern eyes, will not go over well in the South)
Grover Cleveland / Allen G. Thurman (Democratic) March 4, 1889 - March 4, 1893 (The most laissez-faire president in American history, who let Gilded Age moguls do their worst to exploit the people)
Simon Wing / Charles Matchett (Socialist Labor) March 4, 1893 - March 4, 1897 (An unqualified camera manufacturer who wasn’t even a prominent socialist leader or thinker, and whose platform was far too radical for the public at the time)
John M. Palmer / Simon Bolivar Buckner (National Democratic) March 4, 1897 - September 25, 1900 (Not too awful himself, but followed by…)
Simon Bolivar Buckner / [vacant] (National Democratic) September 25, 1900 - March 4, 1901 (…a prominent Confederate general when the Civil War is still within living memory)
John G. Woolley / Henry B. Metcalf (Prohibition) March 4, 1901 - March 4, 1905 (Another unqualified activist who wouldn’t have real problems as his priority)
Thomas E. Watson / Thomas Tibbles (Populist) March 4, 1905 - March 4, 1909 (A KKK sympathizer who openly celebrated and praised lynchings)
Thomas E. Watson / Samuel Williams (Populist) March 4, 1909 - March 4, 1913
Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram W. Johnson (Progressive) March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1917 (Meaning intervention in WWI right away, when American interests weren't threatened)
Charles Evans Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican) March 4, 1917 - June 4, 1918 (Ran on a platform of abolishing popular progressive reforms such as the 8-hour workday, which combined with the war would result in mass socialist agitation and strikes)
Charles Evans Hughes / [vacant] (Republican) June 4, 1918 - March 4, 1921
Warren G. Harding / Calvin Coolidge (Republican) March 4, 1921 – August 2, 1923 (Laissez-faire proponent who facilitated the bubble of the 20s and who stuffed his cabinet with criminals)
Calvin Coolidge / [vacant] (Republican) August 2, 1923 – March 4, 1925
William Z. Foster / Benjamin Gitlow (Communist) March 4, 1925 –March 4, 1933 (Radical communist whose election would have caused a stock market panic way before schedule)
William Hope Harvey / Frank Hemenway (Liberty) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1937 (Formerly respected fiat currency activist who had grown unstable, began to believe human civilization was doomed and wanted to construct a pyramid to commemorate its former glory)
Earl Browder / James W. Ford (Communist) January 20, 1937 - January 20, 1941 (Ardent follower of Stalin who approved of and defended the purges)
Roger Babson / Edgar Moorman (Prohibition) January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1945 (Businessman with no experience in government who believed that the laws of physics somehow controlled the boom and bust cycle)
Norman Thomas / Darlington Hoopes (Socialist) January 20, 1945 - January 20, 1949 (A pacifist who may have been unable to deal with the end of WWII and its aftermath)
Henry A. Wallace / Glen H. Taylor (Progressive) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1953 (A well-meaning dupe of Stalin)
Stuart Hamblen / Enoch A. Holtwick (Prohibition) January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1957 (Unqualified Christian pop singer)
T. Coleman Andrews / Thomas Werdel (States’ Rights) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1961 (Accountant running on a Jim Crow platform who wanted to abolish the income tax)
Orval Faubus / John G. Crommelin (National States’ Rights) January 20, 1961- January 20, 1965 (The governor who had to be forced by federal troops to desegregate schools, supported by a KKK front party implicated in church and synagogue bombings)
Barry Goldwater / William E. Miller (Republican) January 20, 1965 - January 20, 1969 (War-hawk who contemplated the use of tactical nuclear weapons and supported Jim Crow for “libertarian” reasons)
Dick Gregory / Mark Lane (Peace & Freedom) January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973 (A black president in the 60s? Not going to happen without a fight. He’s also a conspiracy theorist, an unqualified comedian and too far left for most Americans)
John G. Schmitz / Thomas J. Anderson (American Independent) January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1977 (Such an aggressive, hawkish anti-communist that he was kicked out of the John Birch Society for extremism. President after the disqualification of the Socialist Workers ticket of Linda Jenness and Andrew Pulley, whose electoral votes were declared illegal by the Supreme Court after a prolonged constitutional crisis)
Gus Hall / Jarvis Tyner (Communist) January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981 (Blatant puppet of the Soviet Union)
Ronald Reagan / George H. W. Bush (Republican) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1985 (War-hawk who trafficked weapons to the bloodthirstiest militias on the planet and allowed them to deal cocaine on American streets)
Lyndon LaRouche / Billy Davis (Independent) January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1989 (Paranoid, incoherent fascist who operates a personality cult around himself)
David Duke / Floyd Parker (Populist) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993 (Grand Wizard of the KKK, open white supremacist and Holocaust denier)
Lenore Fulani / Maria Munoz (Alliance) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997 (Black nationalist with supposed authoritarian tendencies and ties to LaRouche)
John Hagelin / Mike Tompkins (Natural Law) January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001 (Believes all problems can be solved through transcendental meditation)
George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican) January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2005 (Well-meaning but incompetent man surrounded by neoconservative hawks who will encourage him into poorly thought out wars)
Michael Peroutka / Chuck Baldwin (Constitution) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009 (Isolationist hard-right conservative who has palled around with white nationalists and is supported by Alex Jones. Would probably pull out of Bush’s foreign policy entanglements rapidly, creating more problems.)
Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente (Green) January 20, 2009 – present (Conspiracy theorist, 9/11 truther, and Gaddafi supporter)
Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America
1785-1790: Benjamin Franklin (Independent) †
1790-1797: John Adams (National) 
1797-1799: Thomas Jefferson (Freedom) 
1799-1814: Alexander Hamilton (National) 
1814-1821: John Marshall (National) 
1821-1823: James Monroe (Freedom-Republican coalition) 
1823-1828: John Marshall (National)
1828-1833: Henry Clay (National-Free Soil coalition) 
1833-1839: Henry Clay (National) 
1839-1844: Henry Clay (Liberal) 
1844-1849: Winfield Scott (Liberal) 
1849-1856: James K. Polk (Liberty) 
1856-1858: Stephen Douglas (Liberty) 
1858-1868: William Seward (Liberal) 
1868-1872: Horatio Seymour (Liberty-Republican coalition) 
1872-1877: John C. Frémont (Liberal) 
1877-1877: Thomas Hendricks (Liberty) 
1877-1885: Abraham Lincoln (Liberal) 
1885-1892: John Sherman (Liberal) 
1892-1892: Grover Cleveland (Liberty minority)
1892-1897: Grover Cleveland (Liberty) 
1897-1900: Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal-Populist-Progressive-Labor coalition) 
1900-1912: Theodore Roosevelt (Liberal) 
1912-1916: Elihu Root (Liberal) 
1916-1917: Elihu Root (Liberal-Progressive Labor coalition) 
1917-1923: Henry Stimson (Liberal-Liberty war coalition) 
1923-1927: Henry Stimson (Liberal)
1927-1932: John Pershing (Liberal) 
1932-1932: John Pershing (Liberal-New Democratic coalition) 
1932-1937: Alben W. Barkley (Progressive Labor-Liberal coalition) 
1937-1947: Alben W. Barkley (Progressive Labor) 
1947-1949: Thomas Dewey (New Democratic-Liberal coalition) 
1949-1957: Thomas Dewey (New Democratic)
1957-1962: Richard Nixon (New Democratic) 
1962-1963: Lyndon Johnson (Progressive Labor minority)
1963-1965: Richard Nixon (New Democratic-Conservative coalition) 
1965-1970: Lyndon Johnson (Progressive Labor)
1970-1977: Hubert Humphrey (Progressive Labor) 
1977-1982: Hubert Humphrey (Progressive Labor-Populist coalition) 
1982-1993: George H.W Bush (New Democratic) 
1993-1995: George H.W Bush (New Democratic-Conservative-Reform coalition) 
1995-1996: Mario Cuomo (Progressive Labor-Liberal-Reform-Green coalition)
1996-2001: Mario Cuomo (Progressive Labor)
2001-2010: Jeb Bush (New Democratic) 
2010-present: Russ Feingold (Progressive Labor)
 Parliament is dissolved after a vote of no confidence against Prime Minister Adams.
 Jefferson decides to hold elections to decrease House support for war against Revolutionary France. This backfires as the National Party sweeps back into government. Many suspect British tampering.
 Oversaw victory over Spain in the American Theater of the Napoleonic Wars, leading to an expansion to the Pacific Ocean and multiple revolutions in Spanish America. Aided the British to see the final defeat of Napoleon and the French in 1814.
 Government collapses after renewal is denied for the National Bank of America.
 After a year of reforms, most notably a major decrease in tariffs, the coalition government collapses when Republicans demand Freedomites push for full independence from the British, which a majority of Freedomites were against of doing.
 Coalition formed between the National and Free Soil parties to implement abolition of slavery in America. The Free Soil Party merges into the National Party after the outbreak of the American Civil War.
 After the Slavery Abolition Act abolishes slavery throughout the British Empire, thirteen Southern provinces (Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Cuba, Texas) secede from the American Commonwealth and the British Empire itself, forming the Confederate Republic of America. After negotiations break down, Prime Minister Henry Clay officially declares the thirteen provinces to be in insurrection against the Commonwealth. War begins along the Northern-Southern borders. To help, Canada sends units to fight with the North. After a war that sees hundreds of thousands of Americans dead, the Confederate Republic unconditionally surrenders to Union-Canadian forces.
 After the end of the Civil War, the National Party rebrands itself as the Liberal Party. The National Bank of America is resurrected, this time more state-run. Clay initiates his "American System", which promoted strong economic expansion. Canals and roads were built, along with public schools and colleges. Tariffs are raised to help American businesses.
 After the economy collapses under war hero Winfield Scott when, the new Liberty is elected into government.
 Polk successfully reduces tariffs and even forms a free-trade agreement with British Canada during his government. He finally ends the issue of Oregon with the British, dividing it along the 49th parallel.
 The Douglas Government collapses after disagreements within his own party to solve a global economic slowdown that began in 1857.
 The Civil Rights Act of 1865 is passed, ending the short lived practice of racial segregation in the South. Also, the first transcontinental railroad is finished in 1862.
 After disagreements in the Liberty-Republican coalition, Prime Minister Horatio Seymour decides to take a risk and call for an early election to gain enough seats to form a majority government. This fails as the Liberals return to power.
 John C. Frémont's Liberal government is originally a massive success with the economy booming due to new industries and a railroad boom. Unfortunately, after a market crash brings many railroad companies down in 1876, riots all over the country take place demanding labor rights. After a riot in Pittsburgh leads to a full scale communist revolt in western Pennsylvania, Frémont loses in a landslide to Libertyite Thomas Hendricks.
 Hendricks is ousted by a motion of no confidence after it was found he fought as a Confederate soldier from 1836 to the end of the war.
 Lincoln leads the U.S to war against nationalist Mexico in 1879, taking Baja California and Sonora by ends war. Lincoln decides to resign in 1885, with John Sherman taking over the post of Prime Minister.
 Sherman oversees an economic boom. This allows the creation of large monopolies and trusts. In response, the Liberals pass the Roosevelt Anti-Trust Act in 1892.
 After winning a majority election in 1892, the economy collapses in 1894 under Prime Minister Cleveland after massive over expansion of railroads. Unemployment is at 15% by the time Cleveland is elected out.
 Both the Liberal Sherman and the Libertyite Cleveland are blamed for the economic collapse. Rise in new third parties leads the new Liberal leader Theodore Roosevelt to form a coalition between the Liberals, Populists, Progressives, and Laborites. Confidence is restored after Roosevelt is elected.
 Roosevelt calls an early election in 1900, leading to a majority Liberal victory. The economy booms with unemployment under 5% when Roosevelt leaves office.
 Attempting to increase Liberal seats in parliament, Root dissolves parliament, only to fail to win a majority after Liberal fatigue in 1916. A coalition is formed with the Progressive Labor Party.
 The coalition collapses after Root attempts to go to war with France and Russia after the Great War begins between a British led coalition and a Franco-Russian led coalition.
 A joint Liberal Party-Liberty Party coalition leads the American government during the Great War from 1917-1923. The American-British naval advantage eventually bring victory against the Franco-Russian coalition. Minister of Foreign Affairs Franklin D. Roosevelt helps persuade the British against harsh terms.
 War hero Pershing wins in the first post-war election. Unemployment skyrockets to 16% during his government.
 The Liberals and the New Democrats, after a name change by the Libertyites, form a coalition to solve the recession. Though unemployment slightly dips to 14%, the coalition breaks up due to various disagreements.
 After a new election, Progressive Laborite Alben Barkley becomes Prime Minister after a coalition is formed with the Liberals. He champions public works and government intervention. In 1936, America goes to war with nationalist Mexico. After an easy victory and unemployment at 8% by 1937, Barkley is extremely popular.
 After victory over Mexico, the Progressive Laborites pass the National Medicare Act, providing government healthcare for all Americans. Social Security is also passed in 1940.
 Popular New York City mayor Thomas Dewey is elected, moving the New Democrats to the center.
 Goes to war with the UK against Communist Egypt, helping the Israelis gain independence.
 Disagreements over the issue of inflation brings the coalition down in 1965.
 Campaign finance reform is passed.
 The Laborites and Populists unite for new reforms insuring worker safety and worker compensation. The economy begins to dip in late 1981 however.
 Bush oversees a large economic expansion beginning in 1985.
 Economic reform fails after disputes over free trade agreements.
 Recession begins in 2009 after the Green Energy Bubble bursts.
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List of American Presidents in A Chip off the Old Block and their analogues in OTL Britain.
1900: Joseph Gurney Cannon (Republican and Union Democratic) / Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1902: Thomas Brackett Reed (Republican and Union Democratic) / Arthur Balfour (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1904: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic) / 1905: Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman (Liberal)
1908: Theodore Roosevelt (Democratic) / Herbert Henry Asquith (Liberal)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (Democratic) / 1910: Herbert Henry Asquith (Liberal)
1915: Frederick W. Plaistead (Democratic) / 1916: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1916: Frederick W. Plaistead (National Democratic) / 1918: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1920: Warren G. Harding (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1922: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1923: Calvin Coolidge (Republican and Union Democratic) / Stanley Baldwin (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1924: Al Smith (Socialist Labor) / 1923: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928: Calvin Coolidge (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1924: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1932: Al Smith (Socialist Labor) / 1929: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1936: Al Smith (National Labor) / 1931: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour)
1940: Calvin Coolidge (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1935: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1941: William E. Borah (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1937: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1941: Herbert Hoover (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1940: Winston Churchill (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1944: Upton B. Sinclair Jr. (Socialist Labor) / 1945: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1948: Upton B. Sinclair Jr. (Socialist Labor) / 1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1952: Herbert Hoover (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1951: Winston Churchill (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1956: William F. Knowland (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1955: Anthony Eden (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1959: John W. Bricker (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1957: Harold Macmillan (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1960: John W. Bricker (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1959: Harold Macmillan (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1963: Prescott Bush (Republican and Union Democratic) / Sir Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1964: Hubert Humphrey (Socialist Labor) / Harold Wilson (Labour)
1968: Hubert Humphrey (Socialist Labor) / 1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1972: Nelson Rockefeller (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1970: Edward Heath (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1976: Hubert Humphrey (Socialist Labor) / 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1978: Henry M. Jackson (Socialist Labor) / 1976: Jim Callaghan (Labour)
1980: Jeane Kirkpatrick (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1979: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1984: Jeane Kirkpatrick (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1983: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1988: Jeane Kirkpatrick (Republican and Union Democratic) / 1987: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1990: John R. Thompson (Republican and Union Democratic) / John Major (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1992: John R. Thompson (Republican and Union Democratic) / John Major (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
1996: William J. Clinton (Socialist Labor) / 1997: Anthony Blair (Labour)
2000: William J. Clinton (Socialist Labor) / 2001: Anthony Blair (Labour)
2004: William J. Clinton (Socialist Labor) / 2005: Anthony Blair (Labour)
2005: Albert A. Gore (Socialist Labor) / 2007: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2008: Paul Ryan (Republican and Union Democratic) / 2010: David Cameron (Conservative and Liberal Unionist)
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Here's my list of alternative Presidents from the start. The conceit of this alternative time line is that the original idea of the founders, that the states would select the 'best men" to be electors who'd pick the President and their second choice would be VP and, although they'd do it again every four years, that there was no limit to how many times they'd pick the person. Thus the real idea was a President who'd serve for life and be succeeded by the second choice on his death, unless the President messed up. In this system as time goes on it will be more and more unlikely a sitting President would not be re-elected by the Electoral College. Also it would seem normal for the President to be old. So an old V.P. would be normal too, similar to how an old Pope can be succeeded by another old Pope. So:
1. George Washington (4/30/1789 - 12/14/1799)
2. John Adams (12/14/1799 - 7/4/1826)
3. John Quincy Adams (7/4/1826 - 2/23/1848)
4. Henry Clay (2/23/1848 - 6/29/1852)
5. Millard Fillmore (6/29/1852 - 3/8/1874)
6. Rutherford B. Hayes (3/8/1874 - 1/17/1893)
7. Benjamin Harrison (1/17/1893 - 3/13/1901)
8. William McKinley (3/13/1901 - 9/14/1901)
9. John Hay (9/14/1901 - 7/1/1905) [McKinley had no V.P., so Sec. of State suceeded.]
10. Theodore Roosevelt (7/1/1905 - 1/6/1919)
11. Charles Evans Hughes (1/6/1919 - 8/27/1948)
12. Thomas E. Dewey (8/27/1948 - 3/16/1971)
13. Richard Nixon (3/16/1971 - 4/22/1994)
14. Gerald Ford (4/22/1994 - 12/26/2006)
15. George H. W. Bush (12/26/2006 - present)
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Current PM list for my TL "A Great Third Way". Feel free to check it out and tell me if I've done anything ASB in it, explanations as to why the list is like this will be in the TL in the signature.
Lloyd George (Liberal) 1916-1922
Bonar Law (Conservative-NationalCoalition) 1922-1923
Stanley Baldwin (Conservative) 1923-1928
Ramsay MacDonald (Labour) 1928-1930
Stanley Baldwin (Conservative) 1930-1935
Austen Chamberlain (Conservative) 1935-?
Mayors of New York City since 1933
99. 1934-1940: Fiorello LaGuardia (Republican) 
1940-1940: Newbold Morris (Republican) 
100. 1940-1964: William O'Dwyer (Democrat) 
1964-1965: Paul Screvane (Democrat)
101. 1965-1970: John V. Lindsay (Republican)
102. 1970-1978: Mario Procaccino (Democrat)
103. 1978-1990: Abraham Beame (Democrat)
104. 1990-1994: Rudy Giuliani (Democrat) 
105. 1994-2002: Herman Badillo (Republican)
106. 2002-resent: Letita James (Democrat, then Independent) 
 Resigned upon being named Secretary of War by President Franklin Roosevelt on July 10, 1940.
 Served as Acting Mayor following LaGuardia's resignation. Defeated midterm to succeed the mayor by Democrat William O'Dwyer.
 The longest serving Mayor of New York City, O'Dwyer is credited with the building of the United Nations building in New York and beginning the process of integrating New York City in the 1950s following the Brown v. Board decision handed down by the Humphrey Court in 1953. Died in office.
 Would later go on to be elected to the United States Senate in 2000.
 Left the Democratic Party when seeking re-election to the Mayoralty in 2005, citing disagreements with the party over social policy.
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Richard Nixon (R): 1969-1977
Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D): 1977-1980
Pat Lucey (D): 1980-1985
Howard Baker (R): 1985-1993
Tom Harkin (D): 1993-1997
Pete Wilson (R): 1997-2001
Paul Wellstone (D): 2001-2009
John Kerry (D): 2009-2013
From the UK Prime Ministers thread...
Two-Term British Governments
1955: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1959: Anthony Eden (Conservative) 
1964: Rab Butler (Conservative) 
1965: Rab Butler (Conservative) 
1968: Michael Foot (Labour) 
1971: Michael Foot (Labour) 
1974: William Whitelaw (Conservative) 
1979: William Whitelaw (Conservative) 
1984: Dennis Healey (Labour) 
1985: Dennis Healey (Labour) 
1986: Roy Jenkins (Labour) 
1991: Roy Jenkins (Labour) 
1996: John Smith (Labour-Liberal Coalition) 
1997: John Smith (Labour-Liberal Coalition) 
1999: Kenneth Livingstone (Labour) 
2003: Kenneth Livingstone (Labour) 
2008: Arnold Brentford (New British) 
2012: Arnold Brentford (New British) 
2016: Gerard Batten (New British-New Conservative Coalition) 
2020: Gerard Batten (New British-New Conservative Coalition) 
 After the surprise victory of the Anglo-French-Israeli plan in opening both the Suz Canal and the Straits of Tiran following Operation Musketeer (1956), Eden's government was reinforced both domestically and internationally (much to the annoyance of the Americans). Whilst it had been feared that poor health would force his resignation, Eden returned for the Conservatives in 1959 at the head of a powerful Britain, and joined a Europe eager for British integration. Consequently, Britain became one of the founding members of the European Economic Community despite cries from a Conservative minority and foreign figures such as Charles de Gaulle.
 Due to Eden’s failing health Rab Butler takes over as prime minster and scrapes a majority in ’64 thanks partly to foreign affairs successes such as ejecting the US military forces from Britain - and in part thanks to George Brown taking over as Labour leader.
 With a consistently weak Labour, Butler's government continued its radical programme to reduce governmental ineffiency, but received a serious amount of criticism regarding his cuts to the widespread railway network. This extensive decline in support saw Labour gain considerable influence, and called for a vote of no confidence in the Conservative government. After winning, Labour took power.
 Michael Foot lead Labour to government, and continued to reduce government inefficiency, but also expanded the government's role in the economy. With the Conservatives split over entrance into the EEC, Foot had a clear run to the next election. However, his government was also fraying over the same issue.
 After the beginning of the first European economic boom at the beginning of the 1970s, Foot found his party consolidating around his leadership and Britain remained within the EEC. However, despite his forced intervention in the affairs of Rhodesia, his government called a snap election in 1971 after the highly popular founding of the Open University. Foot's Labour, encouraged by his close-aide and rumoured successor Thomas Balogh, would win with a moderate majority against a highly disorganized Conservative opposition.
 Foot is forced to call an election after a media stunt involving the televising of deactivating Britain’s nuclear weapons goes horribly wrong making large areas of the highlands radiated, the pictures of highland communities being packed into trucks and deserted Scottish villages sent Labours already poor poll ratings though the floor. Whitelaw took over as Tory leader from Enoch Powell –who to had been pro nuclear disarmament- only a month before the election was called but managed to win a comfortable majority -in part thanks to A Tory resurgence in Scotland-.
 The displaced Scottish communities are put into new towns constructed by the government in the East Midlands, connecting the large towns of the north, south and west. Whitelaw continues the socialist consensus which is still going strong since WWII. However, moves towards politicising the EEC are very controversial, and threaten to split the Tories. However, Britain being a founding member has seeded most other EEC members with a distrust for lessening their own sovereignty, France in particular.
 the nation already angry over the failure to retake the Falklands is crippled by strikes. Whitelaw misjudges the mood of the nation and tries -and fails- to stare down the unions. In 1984 Dennis Healey duly wins a landslide victory by promising to end the strikes though negotiation and to bring more –diplomatic- pressure down on Argentina.
 The strikes are lifted, but the trade unions increase their power and influence over the Labour Party. Diplomacy collapses in Argentina and war breaks out over the Falklands. Victory in 1985, and a newly growing economy gives the Healey government a boost in popularity and he calls a snap election, which Labour wins.
 Dennis Healey is killed on the night of the 29th of September when the IRA bombs the Labour Party Conference in Blackpool. In the early hours of the 30th Labour Party Deputy leader and Chancellor of the Exchequer, Roy Jenkins, is declared Prime Minister.
 Labour slightly increased their majority. It was viewed as a pyrrhic victory however because of the incredibly low turnout –the lowest in modern history. This is put down to the three main parties being too similar. All three agree on the privatisation of most major industries, the Treaty of Dinant –OOC: TTL Maastricht Treaty- and thawing relations with USA/NATO. The only really partisan issue is the independence referendum for Northern Ireland.
 As the populist Democrat party rises, new PM John Smith forms a coalition with the Liberals to stay in power.
 After the death of Princess Diana, Princess of Wales, in late 1997, Smith faced a British public angered with the monarchy and turning towards his government as a powerful force to control its influence. Whilst the Royal Authority Act (1997) was politically unpopular outside of the coalition and only mildly restricted monarchical power, it confirmed Smith's re-election. The Conservatives, who opposed the moves out of principle (no matter how minor), saw a drastic reduction in influence and retained only their core seats. This created an unusual situation in which the coalition, which had continued despite a likely Labour victory, controlled a vast majority. Nevertheless, the coalition's future looked unstable due to Smith's declining health.
 An election is called after the sudden death of Smith. The political consensus that had more or less broken under Smith was finally put to bed when the Labour Party choose “Red Ken” to lead them into the 21st century. An open admirer of former leader Foot, he made the destruction of Britain’s nuclear weapons a vital part of the manifesto along with a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy and a halt to the slow programme of privatisation of the last 13 years.
 Livingstone's referendum on the monarchy was a surprising failure, but secured a narrow election victory in 2003. The Conservatives - a relic of their former selves - had now been surpassed by the New British Party whose Euro-sceptic and right-wing manifesto appealed to those dissatisfied to twenty years of Labour rule. Whilst victorious in 2003, Livingstone's government rapidly decreased in popularity after his ambitious programs to reform almost every aspect of British life threatened to bankrupt the state. Combined with resurgent Irish terrorism, his second term is regarded as a disaster and the end of Labour supremacy.
 The New British Party under Arnold Brentford won the election, and began to institute sweeping reforms to cut back on Labour's state-planned economy. They also sought to loosen the EEC from within.
 With his success in reducing the national debt and his efficient reforms to the British transportation network, Brentford found himself re-elected in 2012 in the wake of poor opposition from all fronts. His New British Party, now the bulwark of the political right, continued its highly Euro-centric policies and gained further popularity after the partial dissolution of the EEC when Denmark and Spain left the community.
 The New British Party hit a small wall prior to the 2016 election with Brentford's retirement. Batten, his successor, failed to garner as much popularity as his predecessor from both the general public but also his own party. Whilst secured the majority of the popular vote, he was forced to enter into coalition with the New Conservatives (who had only just begun to significantly recover after their years in obscurity. He would preside over the final collapse of the EEC after German bankrupcy, but then would suffer the woes of the huge recession to follow. He used his coalition partners, led by Jacob Rees-Mogg, as effective scapegoats.
 The lowering of support for the NewCons allowed Batten to get an edge on votes but he still needed the coalition to keep his government in power. The British economy didn't exactly start to grow again, as Batten shifted the focus of the economy to the successful 'Himalaya Model' of working to make people happy not rich, and trying to break down large companies into smaller enterprises that kept employment up.
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Something I made partly for my new thread, the "List Fictional Presidents and PMs Thread"(I apologize, btw, but I made a small mistake while typing up the title originally.....it's actually The List of Fictional Presidents and PMs thread. I may have it changed, and definitely will if anyone gets terribly confused.)
Presidents and Vice Presidents of America:
**Died in office
1860-1866: Abraham Lincoln*** (Republican-IL) / John Fremont (CA)
1866-1868: John C. Fremont (Republican-CA) / Andrew Johnson (TN)
1868-1872: William Seward (Democratic-NY) / George M. Dallas (VA)
1872-8/1873: Horace Greeley** (Democratic-NY) / Rutherford Hayes (DE)
8/1873-1876: Rutherford Hayes (Democratic-DE) / Samuel J. Tilden (ME)
1876-1880: U.S. Grant* (Republican-OH) / Lysander Spooner (VT)
9/1881-2/1884: William A. Wheeler*** (Republican-OH) / Ben Bristow (KY)
2/1884-11/1884: Ben Bristow (Republican-KY) / Vacant
1884-1888: Winfield Scott Hancock (Democratic-PA) / Samuel J. Randall (Democratic-NJ)
1888-9/1891: Samuel J. Tilden* (Republican-ME) / Roscoe Conkling (NY)
9/1891-1892: Roscoe Conkling (Republican-NY) / Vacant
1892-1900: Theodore 'Teddy' Roosevelt (Progressive-NY) / Robert Todd Lincoln (IL)
1900-1904: John J. Mulvaney (Socialist-MO) / Eugene V. Debs (IN)
1904-1908: John J. Mulvaney (Socialist-MO) / Robert Sellafield (JE)
1908-11/1911: William Howard Taft* (Republican-OH) / John L. Sherman (CO)
11/1911-1912: John L. Sherman (Unionist-CO) / Vacant
1912-1920: Robert M. LaFollette (Unionist-WI) / Charles Kane (NY)
1920-1924: James W. Peterson (Democratic-NE) / Gilbert Godfrey (ID)
1924-1928: Francis J. Harris (Unionist-NJ) / Robert Thoreson (MN)
1929-3/1932: Thomas R. 'Red Tom' Williams** (Populist-WI) / John A. Burton(MO)
3/1932-11/1932: John A. Burton (Populist-MO) / Louis Mitchell, Jr. (MD)
1933-9/1945: Robert C. Jenston*** (Democratic-MN) / Jonathan Belmont (CA)
9/1945-1948: Jonathan Belmont (Democratic-CA) / Melvin Fletcher (IL)
1948-1952: William A. Wilson (Patriot-WY) / Theodore 'Thunder' Ross (CA)
1952-1960: Donald Carville (Unionist-IA) / Eugene O'Flynn (WY)
1960-9/1963: Kenneth 'Kent' Clark* (Liberal-MI) / Wallace J. Weston (MO)
9/1963-1964: Andrew F. Schultz (Liberal-OR) / Louise 'Lois' Lane (KS)
1964-9/1971: Michael 'Mike' Walters*** (Unionist-IN) / Alexander 'Lex' Luther (KY)
9/1971-2/1974: Alexander 'Lex' Luthor (Unionist-KY) / J. Jonah Jameson (NY)
2/1974-1976: Patrick Carter (Independent-KS) / Charles Xavier (NY)
1976-7/1981: J.P. Thurston* (Unionist-WY) / Robert 'Bertie' Colville (WY)
7/1981-3/1983: Robert 'Bertie' Colville (Unionist-OK) / Thomas F. Schultz** (WI)
3-8/1983: Robert 'Bertie' Colville*** (Unionist-OK) / Vacant
8/1983-1984: Jonathan Moore (Unionist-NV) / Jackson L. Hunter (TN)
1984-1988: Howard Jeffrey 'Ducky' Goldstein (Liberal-WA) / Katherine 'Kate' Prydeman (IL)
1988-1992: Scott Summers (Independent-KS) / Robert B. C. Wayne (IN)
1992-2000: John Jackson (Liberal-CA) / Richard 'Dick' Grayson (NY)
2000-2004: Erik 'Magnus' Lehnsherr (Republican-IN) / Oliver 'Buckeye' Goodloe (IA)
2004-2012: Jonathan O. Monroe (Liberal-IL) / Corina 'Jubilee' Lee (CA)
Presidents & Vice-Presidents of the Confederacy
1860-1872: Jefferson 'Jeff' F. Davis (No Party-MS) / Robert E. Lee (VA)
1872-1878: Robert E. Lee (Confederalist-VA) / Samuel Houston (TX)
1878-2/1884: Louis T. Wigfall** (Dixiecrat-TX) / Preston Brooks (SC)
2-11/1884: Preston Brooks (Dixiecrat-SC) / Vacant
1884-9/1888: Preston Brooks* (Dixiecrat-SC) / J.F. 'Jeff' Davis, Jr. (MS)
9/1888-1890: Jeff Davis, Jr. (Dixiecrat-MS) / Vacant
1890-1896: Steven Ellison 'Steve' Holderby (Confederalist-TN) / Remy LeBeau, Sr. (LA)
1896-1902: Andrew Jackson 'Andy' Donelson, Jr. / (Reconcilation-TX) / John A. Wilcox (GA)
1902-7/1903: Andrew J. Donelson** / (Reconcilation-TX) / Victor J. Northcote (NC)
7/1903-9/1909: Victor J. Northcote*** / (Reconcilation-NC) / William F. Wilkerson (Dixiecrat-AR)
9/1909-11/1911: William F. Wilkerson / (Dixiecrat-AR) / James Hogg** (TX)
11/1911-1912: William F. Wilkerson / (Dixiecrat-AR) / William J. Satterfield (TN)
1912-1918: John L. Bettis (Confederalist-SC) / Albert Willacy (Dixiecrat-TX)
1918-4/1922: William L. Rodgers** (Dixiecrat-AR) / Lawrence R. Sprunk (TX)
1922-1924: Lawrence R. Sprunk (TX) / James W. Bickford (GA)
1924-8/1928: Jerome Hancock (Confederalist-VA) / John Harlan*** (AZ)
8/1928-11/1929: Jerome Hancock (Confederalist-VA)*** / Vacant
11/1929-1930: Robert W. Land (Independent-AR) / Fred Barnes (TX)
1930-9/1935: William A. Stryker* (Dixiecrat-NC) / Francis McCamey (TX)
9/1935-1936: Francis McCamey (Dixiecrat-TX) / Vacant
1936-10/1941: Jefferson Davis Caden (Nationalist-MS) / William J. 'Bill' Beckett*** (LA)
2/1942-9/1946: Jefferson Davis Caden (Nationalist-MS) / Philip A. Langhorne (TX)
9/1946-10/1948: Jefferson Caden (Nationalist-MS) / Vacant
1948-9/1952: Victor Vandergrift* (White Rights-GA) / James Oakley (Dixiecrat-AR)
9/1952-3/1953: James Oakley (Dixiecrat-AR) / Vacant
1952-11/1955: Leroy Franklin 'Lee' Dalton (Confederalist-TX) / Alvar O'Brien** (Confederalist-SN)
2/1956-1958: Lee Dalton (Confederalist-TX) / John A. Fairmont (AL)
1958-11/1961: Taylor Charles (Dixiecrat-SA) / Ignatius J. O'Reilly** (LA)
11/1961-1964: Taylor Charles (Dixiecrat-SA) / Albert Cameron (SQ)
1964-9/1969: John F. Beckett (Confederalist-SQ) / Jefferson Millard* (TX)
9/1969-1970: John F. Beckett*** (Confederalist-SQ) / Robert Peverell*** (AZ)
1970-7/1971: William A. 'Willie' Stewart** (No Party-VA) / Vacant
7/1971-9/1973: Frederick Ashton Kelvin**** (Dixiecrat-TX) / Thomas Jefferson Barnes (TX)
11/1973-2/1974: T.J. Barnes (Dixiecrat-TX) / George W. Hamilton (AR)
[Emergency Elections held, Jan. 1974]
1974-1978: Patrick Haynes (Confederalist-FL) / Richard Alvarado (AZ)
1978-12/1981: Albert L. Jackson* (Dixiecrat-SQ) / Christopher W. Chandler (VA)
12/1981-7/1983: Christopher W. Chandler*** (Dixiecrat-VA) / Jeremiah Stodder* (AR)
7/1983-1984: Robert 'Bob' Crandon (Dixiecrat-MS) / Walker Bush (TX)
1984-9/1986: Walker Bush (Dixiecrat-TX) / Jonathan Haywood (Confederalist-LA)
9/1986-9/1989: Jonathan Haywood (Confederalist-LA) / Elwood Paul (Independent-TX)
9/1989-1990: Elwood Paul (Independent-TX) / John 'the Neutron' Belmont (LA)
1990: Robert Rodriguez (TX) / Stephanie Leanne 'Sookie' Stackhouse (FL)
Stars and Stripes: The Rise of the United States. Any comments & suggestions appreciated!
I got a couple of books by Macmillan and Wilson while on holiday that illustrated some incidents we now forget today but which could have changed things drastically if they'd blown up a little more...
Postwar British Prime Ministers
1945-1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1957-1963: Harold Macmillan (Conservative)
1963-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Conservative)
1964-1969: Harold Wilson (Labour) 
1969-1974: Richard Crossman (Labour) 
1974-1977: Shirley Williams (Labour minority supported by Liberals and Scottish National Party) 
1977-1986: Angus Maude (Conservative) 
1986-1987: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative) 
1987-1987: Gerald Kaufman (Labour minority supported by Liberals) 
1987-1989: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative minority supported by Liberals) 
1989-1993: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative) 
1993-2001: John Smith (Labour) 
2001-2006: Charles Clarke (Labour) 
2006-2009: George Young (Conservative) 
2009-????: Nick Howard (Conservative) 
 Forced out after the crisis over devaluation and devastating local election results. As is usually the case, the man wielding the knife did not get to succeed, and Jim Callaghan was out of consideration due to his being Chancellor at the time of devaluation. The premiership therefore went to the compromise 'safe choice', Richard Crossman.
 Crossman managed to win the 1970 election against Heath's Tories (leading to Heath's resignation) but proved to be anything but uncontroversial in government. His decision to send British troops to Vietnam--especially since the war was already all but lost--was enormously controversial and prompted riots in Scotland due to the massacre of a Scottish regiment in Vietnam. Although the Conservatives supported his position on Vietnam, the opinion polls suggested Tory leader Edward du Cann was on course for a landslide victory in 1974. However, a serious scandal involving du Cann's former banking firm Keyser Ullman then broke during the election campaign. The result was a collapse in both the Conservative and Labour votes, with the Liberals and SNP coming up through the middle (the SNP rise fuelled by both 'It's Scotland's oil' and the Vietnam issue). The National Front also got a few MPs elected due to Crossman's strident Zionism fuelling political anti-Semitism (Crossman directly intervened in the Yom Kippur War on Israel's side, leading to a close WWIII shave).
 First female Prime Minister. The complex hung parliament resulted in an awkward compromise government. The Labour Left grew increasingly unhappy with the compromises made with their coalition partners, especially as Williams lukewarmly favoured the Liberals' proposals for electoral reform. The government collapsed in 1977 after a free vote on introducing proportional representation produced a heavy defeat and the Liberals withdrew their support.
 In opposition, the Tories faced a crucial leadership contest when du Cann resigned in 1974. The most obvious choices in the shadow cabinet were tainted by association with du Cann. The disturbing rise of the National Front encouraged the dry tendency in the party to argue for more extreme policies to recapture those votes, but this also led to dry leader Keith Joseph being effectively excluded due to his Jewishness. Others jockeyed for the position of dry candidate in the leadership election, including Margaret Thatcher, who was largely dismissed due to many Tory MPs regarding the idea of setting one woman against another (Williams) as being both too radical and perceived as a superficial move. In the end the dries fell to Angus Maude, who won the leadership election and successfully recaptured much of the former NF vote in the 1977 election, in which he won a majority. The Maude government was greatly controversial in turn, with openly discriminatory policies and very right-wing economic moves that prompted heavy public protests, many of which were crushed with troops. The Irish Troubles were also met with a heavy hand, leading to international criticism of the UK and its application to the EEC being refused. Many predicted Maude would be kicked out at the next election, but his being Prime Minister when Argentina invaded the Falklands in 1981 led to him winning another landslide at the 1982 election. He was eventually forced out in an internal coup in 1986 at the age of 74.
 Once again, those wielding the knives did not get to sit the throne, and in response to much mockery of Maude for his age, the Tories went for a young contender.
 Many predicted a Labour landslide, but amid some criticism for Labour's "deliberately provocative" choice of a Jewish leader, the result was another hung parliament. Kaufman attempted to form a government with Liberal support (ignoring the increasingly powerful SNP) but internal divisions within the Labour Party resulted in the government soon collapsing. The Labour Left, who had sullenly remained within the party while in opposition lest they help the Maude regime, now proclaimed that they had not waited all this time to participate in a right-wing government that accepted many of Maude's privatisations, and promptly broke away as the Socialist Labour Party.
 Parkinson became PM again. He refused to budge on national voting reform, but accepted the Liberal argument that centralisation had fuelled the SNP, and instituted local government reform that gave home rule to Scotland, Wales and English regions. These regions' assemblies were indeed elected by PR. Home rule for Northern Ireland remained controversial. The government fell after two years, prompting a new election.
 Parkinson won a majority, lending credence to his claims that his moderation had broadened the 'toxic Tories''s credibility, though in practice this was as much due to Labour's divisions than anything else. The SNP and Liberals declined from this point, their more moderate voters satisfied with Parkinson's limited reforms, and their party leaderships eventually focusing on winning seats in the regional assemblies.
 John Smith (whose heart attack was butterflied away in TTL) is credited with successfully wiping out the (national) SLP and reassimilating its voters without driving Labour to unelectable extremes. The SLP survived in some of the regional assemblies, however. Smith also oversaw the end of the Troubles and the return of Home Rule to Northern Ireland, and the UK's belated accession to the EEC (now the outer economic ring of the central European Federation, a useful place to dump awkward countries like Turkey).
 Initially quite popular and won a majority in 2001, but presided over a financial crisis that led to his defeat in 2006.
 Had to retire early for health reasons.
 A controversial and 'brave' choice for the Conservatives due to his youth (youngest Prime Minister since Lord Liverpool) and Jewish father (though religiously he's Anglican, comparisons to Disraeli abound).
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