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Parliamentary United States with the same general election dates as the British.
Interesting, although even with ASB rules I don't think that would be possible, as in the early years it would physically not be possible for a message that the British Parliament had been dissolved to make it across the Atlantic to the US in time.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 06:02 PM
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Here's how the list should have ended instead of a two-term minority government and a GREEN government.

Let Out Of The Stalls For The '38 Derby
1937: Anthony Eden (Conservative) (National Government) [1]
1941: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [2]
1946: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [3]
1951: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [4]
1956: Richard Butler (Conservative) [5]
1960: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour) [6]
1965: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour) [7]
1967: Richard Crossman (Labour) [8]
1972: Richard Crossman (Labour) [9]
1977: Edward Heath (Conservative) [10]
1982: Edward Heath (Conservative - Liberal Coalition) [11]
1984: Michael Foot (Labour) [12]
1987: Roy Hattersley (Labour) [13]
1992: Michael Heseltine (Conservative) [14]
1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative) [15]
2002: Michael Heseltine (Conservative) [16]
2007: Ed Balls (Labour coalition with Liberals) [17]
2012: Ed Balls (Labour minority) [18]
2013: Liam Fox (Conservative) [19]
2018: Jeremy Hunt (Conservative) [20]

[1] After the Abdication Crisis, Baldwin planned his retirement. The chance death of Neville Chamberlain scuppered his plans of a smooth transition and factional open warfare broke out among the Tory ranks as to who would gain the favour of the Men In Grey Suits. Eventually, the Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden attained the premiership after his emergence as a compromise acceptable both to the Churchillites and those who would not permit Churchill himself anywhere near 10 Downing Street.
[2] Combined with political developments in France favouring intervention, Eden presided over the strangling of Nazism in its cradle through the Austrian War of 1938-1940. Having proved wrong the voices of appeasement in his own party (a process which involved ditching the National Liberals), he went to the country early and with a short victorious war and an economic recovery to his credit, won a majority for the Conservatives in their own right.
[3] Eden's popularity continues with warming relation with Europe and the United States. The economic recovery turns into a full 'boom' period as Eden is credited with the so-called 'Fabulous Forties'
[4] Eden remained popular, his record as Prime Minister being outstanding. However, other members of the Conservative Party became increasingly malcontent, seeing his unprecedented time as PM as strangling their own ambitions. And Edens own health began to fail, as the Empire began to slowly unravel, as nationalists in Africa and Asia emerged.
[5] With Eden's health failing, Butler persuaded him to resign in 1955, he won on Eden's popularity.
[6] In what is acknowledged as no fault of Butler's, Labour wins a majority of 70 seats under a program of keeping with Tory spending for at least four years and maintaining Imperial connections, but an old idea by the deceased Chamberlain's father is being brought back as Australian Professor Enoch Powell re-introduces the idea in modern politics.
[7] Gaitskell dodges a health scare and leads Labour to a similar result at the 1965 election.
[8] Gaitskell's heart condition resurfaces and after a surprise heart attack, he is forced to resign. His protégé handily wins the ensuing leadership election, the first time Labour MPs have directly elected a Prime Minister.
[9] Crossman proves to be a very popular Prime Minister, a new young face for the ageing Labour Party. In other news, the Conservatives have a new leader, his name is Heath, Edward Heath.
[10] Despite a booming economy akin to the boom in the Empire of Japan (especially with their Korean manufacturing boom in high gear) Heath wins a small majority on the back of years of Labour victories.
[11] Heath's small majority is reduced to a minority. The Tories form a coalition with the Liberals.
[12] The coalition falls over disagreements regarding decolonisation. While the Tories favour a "stay the course" path in regards to development and eventual independence, the Liberals push more for high investment in the various African colonies and followed quickly by independence within the Commonwealth as a whole. The argument comes to a head over the decolonization of Kenya, and Labour wins the subsequent election.
[13] Foot is forced to resign after contracting lung cancer following a return to smoking to cope with the stresses of being Prime Minister. Deputy Prime Minister and Home Secretary Roy Hattersley is the unanimous choice to take over after impressive performances with regard to handling immigration and lowering crime figures.
[14] Black Wednesday permanently damages Hattersley's reputation and he proceeds to lose the next elections as the Tories steal a (very) slim majority.
[15] Scandals and corruption within the Labour party further erode their image. The resulting collapse in Labour votes results in a much increased majority for the Tories and a significant gain in Liberal seats. The Commonwealth of East Africa gains full independence and sits on an equal plain to the UK, Australia, Canada, South Africa and New Zealand in the Commonwealth.
[16] Heseltine wins again but he is growing unpopular among his own party. The Liberals displace Labour as the Opposition and they are gathering momentum ...
[17] Heseltine, though considered a very good PM falls. Labour revives against the Liberals to an extent. Despite the Conservatives winning the most seats (240) infighting and a leadership election allows Labour and Liberal to form a coalition. It is a very equal thing, though Labour is the dominate party by a few dozen seats.
[18] The coalition breaks over how to deal with the financial crisis, Labour do a surprisingly good job governing as a minority. They manage to produce another hung parliament with Labour getting the most seats.
[19] Liam Fox leads a no-confidence vote and then storms to victory in the resulting election, he makes the Cabinet predominately Thatcherist.
[20] Fox resigns over health concerns, the resulting leadership election leads to Jeremy Hunt's victory.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:33 PM
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Prime Ministers and Deputy Prime Ministers of the European Union

2009: Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg (EPP-DE)/Nick Clegg (ALDE-UK)
2013: Martine Aubry (S&D-FR)/Maria Wetterstrand (EGP-SE)
2017: Guy Verhofstadt (ALDE-BE)/
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2021:
Nicolae Bănicioiu
(S&D-RO)/Johanne Schmidt-Nielsen (PEL-DK)
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:57 PM
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Funny thought I had about how political party names can be used for totally different things depending on the country...or the timeline.

1945-1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951-1953: Winston Churchill (Conservative) [1]
1953-1956: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [2]
1956-1958: Clement Attlee (Labour) [3]
1958-1959: Aneurin Bevan (Labour) [4]
1959-1961: Anthony Greenwood (Labour) [5]
1961-1964: Harold Macmillan (New Democratic Party) [6]
1964-1968: Rab Butler† (New Democratic Party) [7]
1968-1968: Quintin Hogg, 2nd Viscount Hailsham (New Democratic Party) (Acting)
1968-1969: Edward Heath (New Democratic Party)
1969-1974: Edward Heath (New Democrat leading New Democrat-Liberal coalition) [8]
1974-1976: Anthony Crosland† (Labour)
1976-1976: Michael Foot (Labour) (Acting) [9]
1976-1983: Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1983-1984: Denis Healey (Labour)
1984-1989: Michael Heseltine (New Democrat leading New Democrat- Liberal coalition)
1989-1992: Michael Heseltine (NDP-Liberal Alliance) [10]
1992-1994: John Major (NDP-Liberal Alliance)
1994-2003: Bryan Gould (Labour) [11]
2003-2006: Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrat)
2006-????: William Hague (Liberal Democrat)





[1] Churchill decides to retire early after his stroke.
[2] Eden decides against holding an early election and it ends up falling in the middle of a foreign policy crisis involving the Suez Canal (not exactly like OTL, but similar). The government has lost credibility and loses the election. However, scepticism over a second round of nationalisation means people are voting more against Eden than for Attlee, and the Liberals consequently benefit, winning 18 seats.
[3] During Attlee's second premiership, new Conservative leader Harold Macmillan changed the name of the party to the New Democratic Party (as he wanted to in OTL). The National Liberals merged into the new party, while the Ulster Unionists balked and sat as a separate parliamentary grouping from then on. The NDP's leaders would be elected by leadership elections like Labour rather than the Conservative Party's previous smoke-filled room process.
[4] Bevan was the victorious candidate of the Left in the leadership contest after Attlee retired, but soon fell ill and resigned after only 13 months in power. He was nonetheless responsible for a few nationalisations that most people thought went too far.
[5] Greenwood defeated Gaitskell in the leadership contest, the Labour Left seeming unconcerned by public opposition to its policies. He went on to lose the 1961 election.
[6] Macmillan, like OTL, was misdiagnosed with cancer (but in '64 rather than '63) and retired. Despite Macmillan's opposition, Rab Butler won the first NDP leadership contest to become his successor.
[7] Butler's death in a plane crash led to the institution of parliamentary succession laws, with the Lord President of the Council, Lord Hailsham, temporarily taking over while a new leadership election could be held.
[8] The New Democrats suffered from incumbency fatigue, but Labour were still in the clutches of the paleoleft and failed to catch the imagination of young people as Wilson managed OTL. The result was a hung parliament, with the Liberals (having recovered over the past few elections) now possessing 40 MPs. Heath formed a surprisingly cosy coalition with Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe.
[9] As Lord President, Foot became temporary PM after Crosland's death under the rules established by the Macmillan government. Foot however violated protocol by trying to contest the Labour leadership election while Acting PM, which turned off some moderates and allowed Roy Jenkins to win, despite his disagreements with the Croslandites.
[10] For the 1989 election, the two parties decided on a formal electoral pact.
[11] After Gould won re-election in 1998, the New Democrats and Liberals decided on a formal merger.


Election results
1945: Large Labour majority
1950: Knife-edge Labour majority
1951: Small Conservative majority
1956: Small Labour majority
1961: Medium New Democrat majority
1964: Large New Democrat majority
1969: Hung parliament, Labour largest party over New Democrats by 4 MPs
1974: Large Labour majority
1979: Medium Labour majority
1984: Hung parliament, New Democrats largest party over Labour by 6 MPs
1989: Technically hung parliament, but by now the Alliance is practically considered as one party with a medium majority
1994: Large Labour majority
1998: Medium Labour majority
2003: Medium Liberal Democrat majority
2008: Small Liberal Democrat majority
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Old October 20th, 2011, 03:18 PM
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First Great War: 1914-1918
Second Great War: 1937-1940
Third Great War: 1957-1961

Chancellors of the First German Republic, 1919-1934
1919-1919: Phillip Schneidemann (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-German Democrat-Centre coalition)
1919-1920: Gustav Bauer (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-German Democratic-Centre coalition)
1920-1920: Hermann Müller (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-German Democratic-Centre coalition)
1920-1921: Constantin Fehrenbach (Centre leading Centre-German Democratic-German People's coalition)
1921-1922: Joseph Wirth (Centrist leading Centre-Social Democratic-German Democratic coalition)
1922-1923: Wilhelm Cuno (Nonpartisan leading Independent-German People's-German Democratic-Centre-Bavarian People's coalition)
1923-1923: Gustav Stresemann (German People's leading German People's-Social Democratic-Centre-German Democratic coalition)
1923-1925: Wilhelm Marx (Centrist leading Centre-German People's-German Democratic-Bavarian People's coalition)
1925-1926: Hans Luther (German People's leading German People's-German National People's-Centre-German Democratic-Bavarian People's coalition)
1926-1928: Wilhelm Marx (Centrist leading Centre-German People's-German Democratic-Bavarian People's coalition)
1928-1930: Hermann Müller (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-German People's-German Democratic-Centre-Bavarian People's coalition)
1930-1932: Heinrich Brüning (Centrist leading Centre-German Democratic-German People's-Bavarian People's-Conservative People's coalition)
1932-1934: Franz von Papen (Nonpartisan leading Independent-German National People's Party coalition)

Monarchs of the Second German Empire, 1934-1940
1934-1940: Wilhelm II (House of Hohenzollern)

Chancellors of the Second German Empire, 1934-1940
1934-1934: Franz von Papen (Nonpartisan leading Independent-German National People's Party coalition)
1934-1937: Erich Ludendorff (Nonpartisan leading Independent-German National People's Party coalition)
1937-1940: Hermann Göring (German National People's Party)

Allied military occupation from 1940-44

Chancellors of the Second German Republic, 1944-present
1944-1948: Mathias Zweig (Social Democrat leading Social Democrat-Democratic People's-Centre-Coalition for Economic Restoration coalition)
1948-1957: David Meier (Centrist leading Centre-Democratic People's-Christian Socialist coalition)
1957-1961: David Meier (Centrist leading Centre-Social Democratic-Democratic People's-Christian Socialist National Government)
1961-1964: David Meier (Centrist leading Centre-Christian Democratic-Christian Socialist coalition)
1964-1968: Kristian Reiniger (Social Democrat)
1968-1980: Dirk Kortig (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-Democratic People's coalition)
1980-1984: Dirk Kortig (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-Democratic People's coalition)
1984-1992: Daniel Muller (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-Democratic People's-Green coalition)
1992-1996: Jennifer Kuefer (Centrist Democrat leading Centrist Democratic-Christian Social Union coalition)
1996-2012: Marko Weiß (Social Democrat leading Social Democratic-Democratic People's-Green coalition)
2012-present: Ulrich Propst (Centrist Democrat leading Centrist Democratic-Democratic People's coalition)


Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, 1908-present
1908-1910: Herbert Henry Asquith (Liberal)
1910-1915: Herbert Henry Asquith (Liberal minority with Irish Parliamentary Party support)
1915-1916: Herbert Henry Asquith (Liberal leading Liberal-Conservative National Government
1916-1922: David Lloyd George (Liberal leading Liberal-Conservative-Labour National Government
1922-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
1923-1923: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
1923-1924: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative minority)
1924-1924: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour minority)
1924-1929: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
1929-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour minority)
1931-1932: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour leading National Labour-Conservative-Liberal National-Liberal National Government)
1932-1935: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour leading National Labour-Conservative-Liberal National National Government)
1935-1937: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative leading Conservative-Liberal National-National Labour National Government
1935-1935: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading Conservative-Liberal National-National Labour National Government
1935-1937: Anthony Eden (Conservative leading Conservative-Liberal National-National Labour National Government
1937-1945: Anthony Eden (Conservative leading Conservative-Liberal National-Labour National Government
1945-1945: Anthony Eden (Conservative leading Conservative-Liberal National National Government

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Old October 22nd, 2011, 01:12 AM
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Presidents of the United States
1789-1797: George Washington (independent)
1797-1801: John Adams (Federalist)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1809-1817: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (Democrat)
1837-1841: Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1841: William Harrison (Whig)[1]
1841-1843: John Tyler (Whig)[2]
1843-1851: Lewis Cass (Democrat)
1851-1855: James Buchanan (Democrat)
1855-1859: Stephen Douglas (Democrat)
1859-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)[3]
1865-1867: Andrew Johnson (Democrat)
1867-1875: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1875-1879: Thomas Hendricks (Democrat)
1879-1881: James Garfield (Republican)[4]
1881-1883: Chester Arthur (Republican)
1883-1887: James G. Blaine (Republican)
1887-1895: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1895-1901: William McKinley (Republican)[5]
1901-1911: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1911-1919: William Taft (Republican)
1919-1927: James Cox (Democrat)
1927-1931: Al Smith (Democrat)
1931-1935: Arthur Vandenberg (Republican)
1935-1945: Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)[6]
1945-1947: Harry Truman (Democrat)
1947-1955: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1955-1963: Harold Stassen (Republican)
1963: John F. Kennedy (Democrat)[7]
1963-1969: Lyndon Johnson (Democrat)
1969-1974: Richard Nixon (Republican)[8]
1974-1975: Gerald Ford (Republican)
1975-1979: Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democrat)
1979-1987: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1987-1995: Ted Kennedy (Democrat)
1995-1999: Jerry Brown (Democrat)
1999-2007: George W. Bush (Republican)
2007-: Mark Warner (Democrat)

[1]- Died in office
[2]- First vice-president to succeed to the presidency. Lost the first 'readjustment' election in 1842, coming in third.
[3]- Assassinated
[4]- Assassinated
[5]- Assassinated
[6]- Died in office
[7]- Assassinated
[8]- Resigned
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Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
  • Anthony Eden (Conservative), 1955-1959
  • R. A. Butler (Conservative), 1959-1964
  • Reginald Maudling (Conservative), 1964-1968
  • Roy Jenkins (Labour), 1968-197??


Prime Ministers of France
  • Guy Mollet (SFIO), 1956-1959
  • Pierre Mendès-France (Radical), 1959-19??


Prime Ministers of Israel

  • David Ben-Gurion (Mapai), 1955-1963
  • Levi Eshkol (Mapai), 1963-1969
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POD: FDR defeated in the 1930 New York Gubernatorial Election

1929-1937: Herbert Hoover (Republican) [1]
1937-1945: Huey Long (Democratic) [2]
1945-1961: Gerald L.K. Smith (Democratic)
1961-1969: Barry Goldwater (Republican) [3]
1969-1977: George McGovern (Progressive) [4]
1977-1985: George Bush (Republican)
1985-1989: Eugene McCarthy (Progressive)
1989-1993: Colin Powell (Republican) [5]
1993-2001: Samuel Nunn (Progressive)
2001-2009: Thomas Ridge (Republican)
2009-201X: Brian Schweitzer (Progressive)

[1] Reelected after Al Smith, the Democratic nominee, failed to present an alternative vision for leading the country out of the depression

[2] Beginning of the "Louisiana Era" of U.S. politics, which led to the authoritarian rule of President Smith, and his suppression of civil liberties and religious minorities

[3] Arizona governor, former general, and leader of the United Front for the Restoration of Our Liberties, an outgrowth of what had been called the American Liberty League in earlier times.

[4] The United Front fractured, and its social liberal wing breaks off to reconstitute the Progressive Party.

[5] First President born during Louisiana Era; First president of African ancestry.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 02:52 PM
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ASBs merge the United States and United Kingdom in 1960. England, Scotland, Wales, and Ulster are incorporated as states and the House becomes equivalent to OTL's parliament, with a semi-presidential system featuring fixed, four year parliaments and a prime minister.

Presidents of the Anglo-American Union
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1963-1973: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)
1973-1981: Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1981-1989: George Bush (Republican)
1989-1993: Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo (Democrat)
2001-2009: John McCain (National)
2009-present: Tony Blair (Social Democrat)

Prime Ministers of the Anglo-American Union
1961-1963: Harold MacMillan (Conservative leading Conservative-Republican coalition)
1963-1965: Charles Halleck (Republican leading Republican-Conservative coalition)
1965-1974: Harold Wilson (Labour leading Labour-Democratic coalition)
1974-1985: Tip O'Neill (Democratic leading Democratic-Labour coalition)
1985-1989: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative / Republican alliance)
1989-1994: Jim Wright (Democratic leading Democratic-Labour coalition)
1994-2009: Tony Blair (Social Democrat)
2009-2011: Nancy Pelosi (Social Democrat)
2011-present: John Boehner (National)

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ASBs merge the United States and United Kingdom in 1960. England, Scotland, Wales, and Ulster are incorporated as states and the House becomes equivalent to OTL's parliament, with a semi-presidential system featuring fixed, four year parliaments and a prime minister.
You can't have England as a state, it would have like three times the population of the next biggest one. If you were going to do something like that, I advise you to use the 13 EU regions as states (slightly anachronistic for 1960, but rather more logical).

Below you can see an 'electoral college' map I did for the ASB Electoral Systems thread--I simply gave each 'state' an electoral college vote equal to how many hundred thousand people live there, rounded up. NB these population figures are for 2009. Obviously this wouldn't be how it's worked out in a UK+USA scenario but it gives you a rough idea of the population balance.
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Lord Chancellors of England:
1503 – 1510: Thomas More
1510 – 1544: Thomas Audley [1]
1544 – 1550: Thomas Wriothesley [2]
1550 – 1558: John Dudley [3]
1558 – 1580: Henry FitzAlan [4]
1580 – 1591: John Lumley [5]

Lord Treasurers of the Commonwealth of Great Britain:
1591 – 1609: John Lumley [6]
1609 – 1619: Walter Raleigh [7]
1619 – 1629: William Baffin (Imperial) [8]
None; Parliament dissolved by King Charles
Most Scholars note the period between 1678 and 1753 as a dictatorship, due to the regicide of Charles and the absence of a monarchy between the two dates.

1678 – 1712: Richard Cromwell (Republican) [9]
1712 – 1723: Arthur Haselrig (Republican) [10]

1723 – 1745: Robert Walpole (Liberal Whig) [11]
1745 – 1753: Henry Pelham (Liberal Whig) [12]

Pelham invites the monarchy back into the Commonwealth and holds free elections
1753 – 1754: Henry Pelham (Liberal Whig) [13]
1754 – 1758: Thomas Pelham-Holles (Liberal Whig) [14]

1758 – 1768: William Pitt (the Elder) (Imperial Tory) [15]
1768 – 1773: Augustus FitzRoy (Liberal Whig) [16]
1773 – 1788: Frederick North (Imperial Tory to 1787, Liberal Tory from 1787) [17]

First Lords of Treasury of the Kingdom of Great Britain:
1788 – 1798: William Pitt (the Younger) (Imperial Unionist) [18]
1798 – 1806: Henry Addington (Liberal Tory) [19]
1806 – 1811: William Wyndham Grenville (Liberal Whig leading Liberal Whig – Socialist Coalition) [20]
1811 – 1821: Arthur Wellesley (Imperial Tory) [21]
1821 – 1831: Frederick John Robinson (Imperial Tory) [22]

1831 – 1841: Charles Grey (Liberal Whig) [23]
1841 – 1851: Sir Robert Peel (Imperial Tory minority) [24]
1851 – 1856: George Hamilton-Gordon (Republican Tory leading Republican Tory – Irish Parliamentary Union – Radical Coalition) [25]
1856 – 1866: Henry John Temple (Liberal) [24]
1866 – 1868: Edward Smith-Stanley† (Imperial) [25]
1868 – 1881: Benjamin Disraeli (Imperial) [26]

1881 – 1895: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal) [27]
1895 – 1910: Joseph Chamberlain (Liberal Unionist) [28]

First Lords of the Treasury of the Federation of Britain, Ireland, Canada, and Australasia:
1910 – 1919: Winston Churchill (Imperial) [29]
1919 – 1934: David Lloyd George (Liberal) [30]
1934 – 1944: Winston Churchill (Imperial) [31]
1944 – 1949: Clement Attlee (Socialist leading Socialist – Liberal Coalition) [32]
1949 – 1953: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal) [33]
1953 – 1963: Anthony Eden (Conservative) [34]
1963 – 1966: Richard Butler (Reconstruction) [35]
1966 – 1970: James Wilson (Liberal leading a Liberal – Socialist Coalition) [36]
1970 – 1971: James Callaghan (Socialist leading a Liberal – Socialist Coalition) [37]
1971 – 1974: Edward Heath (Conservative leading a Conservative – Social Democratic Coalition) [38]
1974 – Jan. 1976: Shirley Williams (Social Democratic leading Social Democratic – Republican – Socialist – Indpendent Coalition) [39]
Jan. 1976 – Jul. 1976: Shirley Williams (Social Democratic leading Social Democratic – Conservative Coalition) [40]
Jul. 1976 – Dec. 1976: Tony Benn (Republican minority) [41]
Dec. 1976 – 1981: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)
1981 – Jul. 1982: David Steel† (Liberal) [42]
Jul. 1982 – Nov. 1982: The Lord Wilson (Liberal) [43]
Nov. 1982 – 1987: Dennis Healy (Liberal) [44]

1987 – 1992: Jonathan Major (Conservative) [45]
1992 – 1995: Enoch Powell (Radical) [46]
1995 – 1997: William Hague (Conservative leading a Conservative – Socialist – Liberal National Government) [47]
1997 – 2000: Tony Blair (Conservative) [48]
2000 – 2003: Charles Kennedy† (Liberal) [49]
2003 – 2006: Tony Blair† (Conservative) [50]
2006 – 2011: Nick Clegg† (Social Democratic) [51]
2011 – Present: Liam Fox (Conservative) [52]


[1] Gained position on More's death.
[2] Gained position on Audley's death.
[3] Gained position on Wriothesley's death.
[4] Gained position on Dudley's death.
[5] Gained position on FitzAlan's death.
[6] Encouraged Elizabeth I to create the Commonwealth.
[7] Raleigh held the first elections, he was elected twice.
[8] Baffin was the first person to create a political party, his party were the centre-right Imperials, he claimed the Arctic for Britain. He also oversaw the enlargement of the Commonwealth's empire.
[9] Cromwell emulated his father's dying wish in overthrowing the monarchy, who escaped to Canada. He abolished elections and ruled until his death.
[10] Cromwell's natural successor, he fully implemented the republican system in the Commonwealth.
[11] Selected by Haselrig on his deathbed.
[12] A modernizer. He brought back the monarchy and held elections with a newly widened set of people.
[13] Elected by a landslide, the Imperials form a 'Opposition' and a 'Shadow Government'. Pelham dies in 1754, he is given a state funeral.
[14] Sets the five-year term precedent, holds an election in 1758 which he loses.
[15] One of the youngest Lord Treasurers to date, he rebranded the Imperials as the Imperial Tories, he won two elections.
[16] FitzRoy defeats Pitt but is then defeated by Lord North over Free Trade.
[17] North serves 15 years as Lord Treasurer after reaching a compromise with the North American colonies, he also renames Lord Treasurer into First Lord of the Treasury. In his final year in office, he splits the Imperial Tories over Free Trade. He joins the pro-Free Trade Liberal Tories, while many join the Protectionist Imperial Unionists.
[18] Pitt wins and raises numerous tariffs, he loses the election due to his perceived warmness to Revolutionary Spain.
[19] Addington wins on a Anti-Spanish platform, he holds an early election to test public confidence, this backfires.
[20] Grenville is forced to form a coalition with the, ATL-Labour analouge, Socialist Party. His government falls over not acting while Spain ravishes Italy.
[21] The Duke of Wellington re-unites the Liberal Tories and Imperial Unionists to win the election and defeat Spain once and for all.
[22] Takes over after Wellesley's resignation.
[23] Wins on a free-trade platform.
[24] Sets a record of passing no legislation in his two terms.
[25] The 'Grand Coalition' takes power, limited home rule is given to Ireland before the coalition splits over free trade.
[24] The Liberal Whigs are renamed the Liberals.
[25] Smith is shot and killed by a French nationalist. The Imperial Tories revert to their original name.
[26] Disraeli is elected twice as First Lord. He famously gives the title of Emperor of Europe to George VI.
[27] Loses election.
[28] Serves for 15 years, he creates the Federation of Britain, Ireland, Canada, and Australasia.
[29] 1915 election postponed due to the Great Balkan War.
[30] Lloyd George is known as the 'People's Man' as opposed to the aristocratic Churchill.
[31] Declares war on the authoritarian Spain after the re-militarization of Portugal.
[32] The only Socialist government to date. Introduced the NHS and the Welfare State, both are still with us.
[33] Sinclair's government loses a no-confidence vote over the North Sea Floods.
[34] Eden renames the Imperials, the Conservatives. He does this to bring the Imperials into the 20th century. Eden is re-elected after winning the Suez War. But he loses the general election due to the limited nuclear exchange between the US, the USSR and Spain in 1962.
[35] Butler's Reconstruction government helps to rebuild the UK as well as providing aid to the US and her allies, Britain had not been affected due to the fact that they remained a powerful 'third way' between the Communist USSR and Spain and the Democratic US. Butler resigns saying his work his done, when he dies in 1986, he will be given a state funeral emulating Churchill, Disraeli, Lloyd George, Attlee and so many others.
[36] Wilson wins, but he forced to make a coalition with the Socialists. He is forced to resign due to increasing unpopularity. This is due to heavy industrial action in the winter of 1969.
[37] Technically, Callaghan did not lead a Socialist government, he lead a Liberal – Socialist coalition, so the earlier statement still applies. He lost the election due to the Winter of Discontent in 1970.
[38] Heath is forced to make a coalition with the fledgeling SDP. His government falls over Northern Ireland in 1974.
[39] William's SDP wins the resulting election but they are forced to make a shaky coalition to get a slim majority. The coalition splits over joining the European Community whose current members include Germany, France, Benelux, Poland and Italy.
[40] Williams's second government forms the World Economic Alliance made up from the UK, the US, Portugal and the Commonwealth as a rival to the EC and the Leningrad Pact.
[41] Benn short government falls after a failed referendum on whether Britain should be a republic.
[42] Steel is shot and killed by an Argentinian nationalist just before the start of the South Sea War between Argentina and Spain on one side and the WEA on the other.
[43] The Lord Wilson is appointed First Lord by the King, he will be the last FL from the Lords. Wilson calls an election after the Argentinian victory.
[44] Healy wins riding the victory platform, but the Great Recession of 1986 and the Great Storm of 1987 cause a loss at the next election.
[45] Affectionately know as 'Jack' Major, he lost the election due to the explosion of the USSR and the economic crises that followed.
[46] The resurrected Radicals come to power over growing segregation between ethnic minorities. Powell forcibly deports many ethnic groups, this causes an incredible amount of race riots and the 1995 riot ends with the public lynching Powell and his cabinet. William Hague, the Leader of the Opposition, asks the King to dissolve Parliament and he gladly accepts.
[47] Even though Hague has a huge majority he forms a Reconciliation National Government, this government offers to bring all of the deported people back to Britain. He is elevated to the House of Lords after calling an election. He would stay on as Deputy Prime Minister in each Conservative government to date.
[48] Blair wins a huge majority but loses the next election over rising fuel prices due to a mounting number of oil embargoes from Arab states.
[49] In 2003, the US and WEA invade the Arab countries to prices of petrol reaching £2.50 a litre, Kennedy's government doesn't support this, but the public do. Numerous protests ending with an anthrax attack in Parliament and Kennedy's death lead to a election.
[50] Blair joins the war and it is quickly won, Britain is given a colony of fairly large size and the oil/money rolls in. He is killed by anti-Imperialist protesters outside parliament.
[51] After the world economy collapses in 2008 (when America defaulted) Clegg becomes fairly unpopular as he fails to take advantage of the fact that Britain is now the biggest economy in the world. As unemployment in Britain reaches 30% he is skinned alive by angry protestors who force an election.
[52] Fox's government brings back a booming economy, un-employment falls drastically, the Royal Navy is enlarged, the Army is enlarged, and Britain keeps it's place as the premier economic power. Britain sets sail into it's new destiny, with China, Russia and America in a civil war, the WEA keeps afloat Britain's select allies. The year is 0 PB (Pax Britannia) or 2014 AD and Fox is set to get another term...
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Could actually use a suggestion here for the blank (PoD is 1978) -- somebody keeping up the pattern of

Governors of California
Ronald Reagan (R) (1967-74)
Jerry Brown (D) (1975-82)
Tom Bradley (D) (1983-90)

_________ (R) (1991-98)
Harvey Milk (D) (1999-2002)
Larry Flynt (I) (2003-2010)

US Presidents
Ronald Reagan (R) (1981-88)
George HW Bush (R) (1989-92)

Bill Bradley (D) (1993-2000)
Colin Powell (R) (2001-08)
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Norway, 1965-present.
POD: Per Borten's government survives the information scandal of 1971, thus making it to the 1973 election.
Note that Norwegian elections are fixed: 1965, 69, 73, etc

1965: Per Borten (coalition of Center, Conservative, Christian Democratic, Liberal)
1973: Trygve Bratteli (Labour minority)
1975: Odvar Nordli (Labour minority) [1]
1977: Odvar Nordli (coalition of Labour and Center)
1979: Kåre Willoch (coalition of Conservative, Center, Christian Democratic, Liberal) [2]
1982: Kåre Willoch (minority coalition of Conservative, Center, Liberal) [3]
1984: Gro Harlem Brundtland (Labour minority) [4]
1985: Rolf Presthus (coalition of Conservative, Center, Christian Democratic) [5]
1989: Gro Harlem Brundtland (Labour minority)
1994: Anne Enger Lahnstein (minority coalition of Center, Christian Democratic, Liberal) [6]
1996: Thorbjørn Jagland (Labour minority) [7]
1997: Jan Petersen (minority coalition of Conservative, Christian Democratic, Liberal)
2003: Jens Stoltenberg (coalition of Labour, Christian Democratic, Center) [8]
2009: Erna Solberg (coalition of Conservative, Progress, Liberal, Christian Democratic)

[1] Resigned due to ill health
[2] Following exceptionally good conservative results at the 1979 local elections, Center changed sides.
[3] Christian Democrats resigned from cabinet over abortion
[4] Progress Party toppled government over immigration reform.
[6] Brundtland resigned following the Yes side's defeat in the 1994 EU referendum.
[7] Coalition collapsed.
[8] Jan Petersen resigned following findings that his cabinet hid information during the Kosovo War.
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Could actually use a suggestion here for the blank (PoD is 1978) -- somebody keeping up the pattern of

Governors of California
Ronald Reagan (R) (1967-74)
Jerry Brown (D) (1975-82)
Tom Bradley (D) (1983-90)

_________ (R) (1991-98)
Harvey Milk (D) (1999-2002)
Larry Flynt (I) (2003-2010)

US Presidents
Ronald Reagan (R) (1981-88)
George HW Bush (R) (1989-92)

Bill Bradley (D) (1993-2000)
Colin Powell (R) (2001-08)
Deukmejian maybe?
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Deukmejian maybe?
First Armenian American Governor? Maybe, but I was hoping for something... weirder, or historic. This is a list of CA Governors TTL:

Cubert Olson (1939-42) -- First Atheist Governor
Earl Warren (1943-53) -- later became historic Chief Justice
Godwin Knight (1953-58) -- Warren's Lt Governor
Pat Brown (1959-66) -- Jerry Brown's father*
Ronald Reagan (1967-74) -- former actor, later President
Jerry Brown (1975-82) -- former Governor Pat Brown's son, (in TTL a) nominee for President (in 1988)
Tom Bradley (1983-90) -- first African-American Governor
_________ (1991-98) -- trying to determine
Harvey Milk (1999-2002) -- first Homosexual Governor
Larry Flynt (2003-10) -- former pornographic magazine publisher, independent

*EDIT ADD: also, UIAM, second Catholic Governor in 20th Century, after Al Smith
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Governors of California
Ronald Reagan (R) (1967-74)
Jerry Brown (D) (1975-82)
Tom Bradley (D) (1983-90)
_________ (R) (1991-98)
Harvey Milk (D) (1999-2002)
Larry Flynt (I) (2003-2010)

US Presidents
Ronald Reagan (R) (1981-88)
George HW Bush (R) (1989-92)
Bill Bradley (D) (1993-2000)
Colin Powell (R) (2001-08)
Patty Hearst
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Patty Hearst
Certainly weird enough... though was she (officially) Republican by 1990? What was her approach to the public after release in 79, was it just staying low, what?
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First Armenian American Governor? Maybe, but I was hoping for something... weirder, or historic. This is a list of CA Governors TTL:

Cubert Olson (1939-42) -- First Atheist Governor
Earl Warren (1943-53) -- later became historic Chief Justice
Godwin Knight (1953-58) -- Warren's Lt Governor
Pat Brown (1959-66) -- Jerry Brown's father*
Ronald Reagan (1967-74) -- former actor, later President
Jerry Brown (1975-82) -- former Governor Pat Brown's son, (in TTL a) nominee for President (in 1988)
Tom Bradley (1983-90) -- first African-American Governor
_________ (1991-98) -- trying to determine
Harvey Milk (1999-2002) -- first Homosexual Governor
Larry Flynt (2003-10) -- former pornographic magazine publisher, independent

*EDIT ADD: also, UIAM, second Catholic Governor in 20th Century, after Al Smith
Peter Ueberroth?
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You can't have England as a state, it would have like three times the population of the next biggest one. If you were going to do something like that, I advise you to use the 13 EU regions as states (slightly anachronistic for 1960, but rather more logical).

Below you can see an 'electoral college' map I did for the ASB Electoral Systems thread--I simply gave each 'state' an electoral college vote equal to how many hundred thousand people live there, rounded up. NB these population figures are for 2009. Obviously this wouldn't be how it's worked out in a UK+USA scenario but it gives you a rough idea of the population balance.
That's far too many states though. I actually think that England being a single state would be a selling point for this admittedly ASB arrangement.
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Peter Ueberroth?
Olympics Organizer and Baseball Commissioner? Maybe; as the first CA Republican Governor since Reagan TTL, people might start asking if California Republicans have something against politicians...
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