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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:34 PM
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Meh, I'm not the biggest Palestine expert-I was just trying to find a way to make Palestine resolved in a way that leaves everyone satisfied and nobody happy-but I'm open to all suggestions.

Its all part of the master plan to make Egypt an authoritarian monarchy (for the moment-authoritarian monarchies have a habit of getting overthrown, like in Iran) and leave Arab Nationalism stillborn. Then we'll have a pseudo-almost-commie takeover in Syria, and ineresting things happen elsewhere.

Two states in 1948?
What happened OTL is that civil war started immediately after the UN proposal. I think that what should happen is that rather than civil war, the Arabs accept the proposal and two states are created. There, Arab nationalism avoided.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:36 PM
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Meh, I've never been one for a single India. I can't see it getting along for very long.

Or am I just projecting my desire for a united India...
It's the calm before the storm... I have a very crapsack future for the Subontinent in mind...

Somewhat like this:

April 1, 1953: The Jinnah Government falls after the spectacular failure of the Pakistan Autonomy Bill. Parliamentary elections are scheduled for July 1953. Nehru becomes the head of an interim government.

April 3, 1953: Anti-Muslim riots break out in Delhi, Bombay, Madras and other major Indian cities. Thousands of civilians are dead, hundreds severely injured.

April 6, 1953: "Counter-riots" against Hindus occur in Muslim-majority areas across India. Even where police and the Army are willing to stop rioters, they are completely overwhelmed.

April 7, 1953: A Hindu extremist shoots former Prime Minister Gandhi. While still living, he is in a terminal coma.

April 8, 1953: Rioting spreads to many smaller cities in response to the attempted assassination of Gandhi. Christian populations begin to be included as targets, especially in "Bleeding Goa," only recently taken from the Portuguese.

April 15, 1953: Muslim League MPs, meeting in Karachi, entertain a motion on whether or not to secede Pakistan as an independent Commonwealth Realm. In the same meeting, Mujibur Rahman storms out after a debate on whether to record the proceedings in Bengali as well as Urdu.

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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:47 PM
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What happened OTL is that civil war started immediately after the UN proposal. I think that what should happen is that rather than civil war, the Arabs accept the proposal and two states are created. There, Arab nationalism avoided.
Great-I would be much obliged if someone could make those into dates.

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It's the calm before the storm... I have a very crapsack future for the Subontinent in mind...
As long as it involves multiple states, I'm happy.

We still need an expert to balkanize Nusantara, though...
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:57 PM
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Great-I would be much obliged if someone could make those into dates.



As long as it involves multiple states, I'm happy.

We still need an expert to balkanize Nusantara, though...
I just sowed the seeds for at least the two Pakistans, and maybe several other independent states.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:06 PM
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Meh.

November 30, 1947: The UN General Assembly approves a Resolution calling for a Palestinian partition. After some debate and politicking, it is accepted by both Arabs and Jews.

June 14, 1948: The British Mandate of Palestine ends, and the State of Israel and Republic of Palestine formally come into existence.

September 15, 1947: After extensive deliberation, the Republic of Grand India is created, holding the whole of the former Raj save Burma (under a transitional government that would become independant come January) and Ceylon (likewise). The country gets off to a good start, with Ghandi as PM and Jinnah given a high post, but its still quite troubled...

March-June 1952: King Farouk of Egypt crushes a total of five coup attempts by various members of the armed forces and beurocracy. The regime is becoming nastier and nastier...
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:08 PM
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I just sowed the seeds for at least the two Pakistans, and maybe several other independent states.
Could we have at least one restored Princely State pweeeeeeeeeeeease?
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:13 PM
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Meh.

November 30, 1947: The UN General Assembly approves a Resolution calling for a Palestinian partition. After some debate and politicking, it is accepted by both Arabs and Jews.

June 14, 1948: The British Mandate of Palestine ends, and the State of Israel and Republic of Palestine formally come into existence.

September 15, 1947: After extensive deliberation, the Republic of Grand India is created, holding the whole of the former Raj save Burma (under a transitional government that would become independant come January) and Ceylon (likewise). The country gets off to a good start, with Ghandi as PM and Jinnah given a high post, but its still quite troubled...

March-June 1952: King Farouk of Egypt crushes a total of five coup attempts by various members of the armed forces and beurocracy. The regime is becoming nastier and nastier...
I had India as still a Commonwealth Realm at this time... though things may change after the Pakistan crisis...
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:22 PM
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Do the Russians have the bomb yet?

Also what do people think about keeping the British Empire a major force so that its not just USSR vs USA but USA and Britain vs USSR

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Old July 3rd, 2010, 10:55 PM
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Is there some unspoken PoD that made cars extremely unsafe worldwide?
I'm noticing a lot of car related deaths after going back and re-reading everything.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:04 PM
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Is there some unspoken PoD that made cars extremely unsafe worldwide?
I'm noticing a lot of car related deaths after going back and re-reading everything.
To be fair (to myself. yes.), my deaths (Nasser and Sadat) were probably an "accident" rather than an accident.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:07 PM
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Do the Russians have the bomb yet?

Also what do people think about keeping the British Empire a major force so that its not just USSR vs USA but USA and Britain vs USSR
The Russians most definitely have the bomb.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:31 PM
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April 21st 1953: Margaret Thatcher, Conservative candidate for Dartford at the previous British General Election is killed by a lion whilst on safari in South Africa.

April 24th 1953: Clement Attlee retires as Prime Minister. Over the next month and much infighting, a new leader is elected.

May 7th 1953: Ernest Bevin becomes British Prime Minister, promising to maintain the reforms of the Attlee government.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:36 PM
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I had India as still a Commonwealth Realm at this time... though things may change after the Pakistan crisis...
I somehow missed your dates completely.

Sorry about that.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 12:36 AM
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Is there some unspoken PoD that made cars extremely unsafe worldwide?
I'm noticing a lot of car related deaths after going back and re-reading everything.
I just made the car accident that killed Patton take Stalin instead. Seemed easy.

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Meanwhile in Detroit, Henry Ford II tents his fingers and smirks. "Good... Good... Soon my plan will be complete and I can rule the world" as he marks off Stalin from a list of "obstacles in my path to World Domination". He snaps his fingers "Of Course!" and writes down General Patton
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Old July 4th, 2010, 12:51 AM
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October 21st - November 19th, 1955: The 1956 NSL Championship is held. The Denver Peaks win their first cup title after a hard fought battle with Kansas City Cherokee. The New York Yanks come in third.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 01:06 AM
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November 2, 1954: Robert Kennedy is elected Republican Congressman for NY-26.

July 18, 1950: Roy Cohn and David Schine are killed in a car crash outside Annapolis, Maryland.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 01:37 AM
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Here are some PODs to show that the Russian Liberation Army (RLA) is a threat:

May 7th, 1950: Berlin Surprise; Russian Liberation Army (RLA) takes credit for the bombing of a Communist Party headquarters in Berlin, Germany, killing 7 people...

May 24th, 1950: Members of the Russian Liberation Army (RLA) fire shots at the Soviet Embassy in Berlin, Germany, sparking international attention...

July 8th, 1951: Russia Liberation Army (RLA) members bomb a nightclub in Vienna, Austria, frequented by Soviet Embassy employees, killing 9 people...

April 29th, 1953: Russian Liberation Army (RLA) guerillas meet with Christian leaders in Rome, proclaiming the need to "liberate the Russian people from atheist socialism"....

November 8th, 1954: Russian Liberation Army (RLA) guerillas detonate a car bomb in Moscow's Red Square, killing 12 people in the process...

February 29th, 1956: Russian Liberation Army (RLA) members led by Viktor Ilyinsky, take credit for the bombing of a marketplace in Aachen, Germany, sparking international attention....

February 24th, 1957: Russian Liberation Army (RLA) bomb the newspaper presses of PRAVDA, killing 18 people, sparking international attention...
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Old July 4th, 2010, 06:12 AM
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25th December, 1949: An official and peace treaty is signed between the National Socialists and the CPC after fourteen months of civil war, resulting in the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. The Czech part of the country goes under Communist control, while Slovakia remains democratic. Edvard Beneš, however leaves the new Slovak Republic for Paris, seeing how his dream for a peaceful, united Czechoslovakia is destroyed.

2nd February, 1950: The young Slovak Republic pledges for NATO membership in order to protect against the USSR.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 07:01 AM
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Okay, Stalin, Thatcher, Cohn, Nasser, Sabat, and several other politicians have all died in car crashes. I'm pretty sure everyone will be biking to work now.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 08:06 AM
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Okay, Stalin, Thatcher, Cohn, Nasser, Sabat, and several other politicians have all died in car crashes. I'm pretty sure everyone will be biking to work now.
I just made Maggies death more interesting...
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