Affects of a yellowstone explosion on december the seventh 1941
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Bearcat
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Tens of millions die horrifying deaths.
Then, later, tens of millions more die horrifying deaths as the Axis tightens its grip on Asia and Europe.
Even later, many more millions die in war after war, as revolts are put down, as the extermination machinery of the third Reich continues its ghoulish work.
Congrats. Someone give cornwell a Vlad Tepes; last one out turn off the lights.
Then, later, tens of millions more die horrifying deaths as the Axis tightens its grip on Asia and Europe.
Even later, many more millions die in war after war, as revolts are put down, as the extermination machinery of the third Reich continues its ghoulish work.
Congrats. Someone give cornwell a Vlad Tepes; last one out turn off the lights.
You think there'd still be time for the Axis powers to do anything? Yellowstone is pretty big.
6 Months after a Yellowstone Super Volcano eruption and the least of humanities problems will be war Extinction Level Event
Come on now it's not that serious. There are strong arguments that ancient man survived super volcanic eruptions. Events afterwards will make For All Time look like the Care Bears but it's not that bad.
Within a year or two, once the sheer scale of the crisis is revealed it will becomes apparent to the Axis and Allies that there is little merit in continuing to fight. Probably a truce will be formed for political suriviability which will eventually turn into a formal peace at a later date.
For the American survivors, one weird aspect is that you have actually given great legitimacy to the followers of :
* The Jehovah's Witnesses
* Herbert W. Armstrong, Worldwide Church of God
* Leonard Dale-Harrison
* Edgar Cayce
The scary thought is that you have made sure that the "crackpots" of OTL are given legitmacy, due to their predictions of "Earth Changes", the "Great Retribution", and "The Rapture".
* The Jehovah's Witnesses
* Herbert W. Armstrong, Worldwide Church of God
* Leonard Dale-Harrison
* Edgar Cayce
The scary thought is that you have made sure that the "crackpots" of OTL are given legitmacy, due to their predictions of "Earth Changes", the "Great Retribution", and "The Rapture".
lichtbringer
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You surely mean the Toba Catastrophy Theory.
Now, that event brought the ancient humans near to extintion and they only survived by pure luck.
But I'm sure humanty would survive a yellowstone event easily as they are more numerous and widespread in contrast to the time of the toba catastrophe. But the north american is pretty fucked up and depopulated (So no 'America, fuck yeah'. No way in that scenario).
You have 2 homicidal regimes in europe (nazis and stalinists) which will surly go into mutual total destruction even or more likly escpecially due to the yellowston catastrophe (you now Lebensraum and so on).
So Europe is fucked up too.
Perhaps it's up to Africa, Austrialia and Asia to rebuild the world.
Well, Japan probably won't even know about the eruption untill after the attack, so the war is going to happen at the same time. Can anyone dig out wind directions etc at the time? Its going to make a lot of difference.
The Yellowstone supervolcano erupts every 600 000 years or so, and there is no fossil extinction pattern even among larger mammals, so its not going to be too serious for mankind as a species.
The USA is probably going to lose a lot of their food production, internal transports and industry regardless. Canada might also be wrecked.
Germanys declaration of war suddenly makes sense, and probably happens on schedule.
In Europe, without the USA, Hitler probably lasts for 12 months to two years longer. The big difference is going to be afterwards. Without the USA as a counterbalance to the Soviets, the Iron Curtain is probably going to go all the way to Belgium. France might escape, depending on whos got soldiers there. Norway -probably not.
Another possibility is that the Germans take out Hitler and his closest on their own, and sue for peace with the allies, counterbalancing the Soviets.
I don't know how the war with Japan would go, depends on wind direction and how long the eruption lasts. This is basically a version of the "WW2 without the USA" scenario, but with the US still absorbing a lot of Japans attention.
The Yellowstone supervolcano erupts every 600 000 years or so, and there is no fossil extinction pattern even among larger mammals, so its not going to be too serious for mankind as a species.
The USA is probably going to lose a lot of their food production, internal transports and industry regardless. Canada might also be wrecked.
Germanys declaration of war suddenly makes sense, and probably happens on schedule.
In Europe, without the USA, Hitler probably lasts for 12 months to two years longer. The big difference is going to be afterwards. Without the USA as a counterbalance to the Soviets, the Iron Curtain is probably going to go all the way to Belgium. France might escape, depending on whos got soldiers there. Norway -probably not.
Another possibility is that the Germans take out Hitler and his closest on their own, and sue for peace with the allies, counterbalancing the Soviets.
I don't know how the war with Japan would go, depends on wind direction and how long the eruption lasts. This is basically a version of the "WW2 without the USA" scenario, but with the US still absorbing a lot of Japans attention.
Bearcat
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Remember its not just the US. Its our food, weapons, ammunition, and other lend lease supplies.
So the UK is screwed too. And the Aussies, as far as the US rolling back the Japanese gains. The Soviets just lost all aid - trucks, spare parts, spam, P-39s, all of it. Their 12/41 offensive still does pretty well as IOTL, but what happens in the coming year is very open to question.
Extinction? No way. Man is too resourceful for that.
But this will be, within a year, a candidate for biggest dystopia in the local multiverse.
So the UK is screwed too. And the Aussies, as far as the US rolling back the Japanese gains. The Soviets just lost all aid - trucks, spare parts, spam, P-39s, all of it. Their 12/41 offensive still does pretty well as IOTL, but what happens in the coming year is very open to question.
Extinction? No way. Man is too resourceful for that.
But this will be, within a year, a candidate for biggest dystopia in the local multiverse.
The further we advance the more fragile we become, in a way. For example, Iceland's eruption would not have been that big of a deal during WWII but its a major problem today because jets are extremely susceptible to damage from volcanic ash.
A Yellowstone eruption wouldn't kill off mankind, but it would give civilization a severe kick in the nads. The first problem is specialization of labor. We are worse off today than in 1941 because very few people know how to actually do essential stuff like grow food and make shelter (actually World War Z covers this idea quite nicely. Lawyers are useless while carpenters and farmers are coveted). In a disaster scenario, cities loose food sources due to volcanic winter, worldwide mind you, and the destruction of the American/Canadian breadbasket so food would be scarce worldwide.
Japan is in trouble due to a major population dependent on outside food sources. Same goes for a great deal of Europe. Massive, industrialized war would be fairly impossible. Now worldwide war on local scales over scarcer resources is a greater possibility.
The people who are better off are those who are more independent. African tribes people are more likely to survive than European engineers.
A Yellowstone eruption wouldn't kill off mankind, but it would give civilization a severe kick in the nads. The first problem is specialization of labor. We are worse off today than in 1941 because very few people know how to actually do essential stuff like grow food and make shelter (actually World War Z covers this idea quite nicely. Lawyers are useless while carpenters and farmers are coveted). In a disaster scenario, cities loose food sources due to volcanic winter, worldwide mind you, and the destruction of the American/Canadian breadbasket so food would be scarce worldwide.
Japan is in trouble due to a major population dependent on outside food sources. Same goes for a great deal of Europe. Massive, industrialized war would be fairly impossible. Now worldwide war on local scales over scarcer resources is a greater possibility.
The people who are better off are those who are more independent. African tribes people are more likely to survive than European engineers.