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To say the truth I think this whole Wallace in rebellion is a bad idea. The author is trying to get a level of civil rights comparable to OTL by creating a much more extreme Southern reaction. A more interesting concept would be where the Civil rights movement achieves only a partial success (for example the Civil Rights act passes but the Supreme Court rejects quotas and disparate impact). Also the new rights should be under legislative fire for a couple of decades. Every time something bad happens in the black community (like the crack epidemic) the Southerners will scream that "This Negroes are out of control and it's the North's fault"
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And I don't think this scenario would end with something similar to OTL Civil Rights...because I think the south will be far more bitter about this, and resist change much more strongly. Now Alabama will serve as an example of federal power, but there will still be resistance, much stronger resistance, IMO. But I'd love to here other people's thoughts on this. BTW, I'm behind on getting this next update done...school and work lol.
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A couple of things. Why Louis Rothchild (fictional, AFAIK) rather than, say, Hans-Joachim Marseilles or Heinz Baer (top fighter aces)? And isn't Al a bit young? Could've made it Deke (for laughs)... Or, if you don't mind using a guy who would already've been a bit famous, Yeager. Or, showing TTL's different, Dick Bong (OTL killed when his P-80 augured in on a test flight). On Joe Kennedy: Old Joe (the patriarch) was pretty old by 1956 & AFAIK had pretty well given up hope of being Pres, & was grooming his sons. If JPK Jr was KIA (as he was OTL), he'd have been the Senator & candidate in '56. There's also about an even chance Ike would be Dem candidate; both parties courted him. Having not read "Part One"
I can't say, but what about Brad? Or, if you're feeling hostile to Germany, Patton? Or, if you're feeling like causing WW3, Dougout Doug? 80 |
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As for the civil rights movement, it's not like it hadn't existed. A. C. Powell was threatening a march on Washington in the '30s, IIRC, & there was widespread black migration thanks to war jobs. All it really needed was somebody to light the fuse. Don't forget, tho, it wasn't really Rosa Parks. In the States, it was the murder (lynching?) of Emmet Till. (In Canada, it was Viola Desmond, who I bet even most Canadians had never heard of before she died... I hadn't. )I presume you don't know we were building Vickers Vimys in 1919. Airships aren't that hard. I also presume this was meant to parallel the C.102? So what has RCAF been doing since 1924? Quote:
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I very much doubt it.And on civil rights, can you explain why a) you delayed rather than held to OTL, or even accelerated and b) why you used no OTL figures beyond King? For the complaints, tho, I really like your solution to Palestine. Quote:
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In re electronics: if space travel is ahead, IMO so should electronics. Lunar flights used some of the first digital computers, & weight (when even the number of windows & including seats was an issue for the landers!) is crucial. Don't forget, tho, the very early computers were used by British intelligence to crack the German Enigma cypher. How does a change in the war change that? And with airships, you might get something like cellphones or satphones much sooner than OTL, with airships (instead of satellites) acting as relay platforms. Last edited by phx1138; April 18th, 2010 at 04:35 PM.. |
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Some final comments. ;p I can imagine a situation in re blacks & the Klan resembling OTL Prohibition in the '30s: lots of gunfire, lots of lynchings, anarchy, martial law, & claims of "Northern occupation". Threats of secession? Maybe. Actual civil war? Maybe something close... One hell of a mess, tho. 80 Looks like things are going to get extremely interesting. ;D
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Hey thanks phx1138! I really like getting constructive criticism like this. It definitly helps.
TBH large parts of this second half have been harder to write and when it comes to fictitious names I was just trying to get an update out and wasn't sure what else to put. As far as the Canadian Airships, again, this was just my utter lack of knowledge on the subject. Thanks for the info. With the stuff you've pointed out, along with my own dislike of some of the things I've already posted, I'm seriously considering rewriting most of the "Legacy". And more suggestions would be appretiated. ![]() By the way, have you had a chance to read over the "Airship President TL"? I'd like to know what you think about it.
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No, haven't read Airship Pres yet. I'm trying to read 3-4 things now, so I haven't gotten to it. ;D I'll put up some comments when I do, tho, be sure of that. ;p
FYI, I do like the general direction you're going. And anything where airships rule is a winner with me. ;D ;D Last edited by phx1138; April 19th, 2010 at 07:29 AM.. Reason: direction |
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Well, since an invitation beats a cold reading... ;p You may regret it, however.
I do like your solution to the Nazis, even if I'm far from certain Eckener would actually accept; I have no idea how political he was. I also think you underestimate the impact zeps have on transatlantic travel, as mentioned above. I'm also a bit unsure Hull would be Pres (not Garner? or whoever was FDR's VP); I find VP Will Rogers a bit like the idea of Al Franken as VP. I'm afraid your GPW scenario is pure bunk.Without Germany taking out France & threatening to bring down Britain, the chances of Japan striking south are near zero; without the Neutrality Patrol & Lend-Lease convincing Japan of U.S.-Brit solidarity, odds of an attack on the P.I. (or Pearl) is about zero, too. Besides, there was a standing constiuency in IJA for attacking SU. That said, I see no reason it wouldn't go more/less just as it did OTL, & that's not "stalemate", that's "panic in DC, the Japs are coming!" It's also an unmitigated disaster for Japan, as OTL. I will say you've far too charitable with Kimmel & the Pacific Fleet; I'd wager much if it sunk by more experienced IJN aviators (tho the relief of Wake Island thread here suggests I may be wrong). It wouldn't take but a couple of years, with the full attention of the U.S., let alone with Britain allied, so the 18mo or so you use is pretty near right. Would there be a Chinese Civil War? IMO, that depends a lot on what's going on in Europe, & how much aid the SU is able to give, as well as how involved in the war with Japan the SU was; without a lot of supplies left in Manchuria & Korea, I wager Chiang wins pretty handily. And I have to sign off for now. I'll read further & add more later. If you're still talking to me then. ;p |
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I did wonder about the technical development of zeps. They seemed to stay pretty static through the '60s, which struck me a bit odd. Better materials & engines would've made for more efficient lifters, no? And they'd have been applied to tasks beyond just passenger flight. (OK, getting into more detail than is warranted. ;p) I wonder if you've got an idea how big the max size might be? Los Angeles was 78K cu meters with a 46t lift; could zeps've gotten a lot bigger, with (say) Kevlar frames & skins & something like diesel turbocompound engines? |
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Just a minor detail, US airways wasnt around then. It was Allegheny up unitl the late 70's. From the wiki Allegheny changed its name to USAir in 1979 following the passage of the Airline Deregulation Act the previous year, which enabled the airline to expand its route network into the southeastern United States. In the early 1980s, its routes in the Northeast were fed by Ransome Airlines, among others. Later, USAir acquired San Diego-based Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) and Winston-Salem, NC-based Piedmont Airlines in 1987 and 1988
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And we could have the more "economy" size airships doing transatlantic flights as well, which would cut into ocean liners and keep the transatlantic jets at bay....to a point.
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just as an FYI, I haven't forgot about this TL. I've been busy with the end of school. I've got finals the first week of May, then I'll have plenty of time to work on a good update.
Any ideas, critiques, suggestions for me in the meantime?
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Civil Rights
I am curious to see what happens in Alabama? Anything of note happening in Europe or Asia?
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Europe: The USSR is collapsing into civil war. the Russian Empire will get involved, and help destroy the two communist states that have emerged, and will work with the democratic state out in Vladivostok, which has received support from China and Japan and the USA. as for Asia...I'm open to suggestions.
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Africa as well....
Communism seems to be much less of a worry; so sticking with that theme it would be nice to see the US and Germany be much more Realpolitik about their relations to the Anti-colonial movements. Neither Country has colonies or any vested interest in the colonial movement and both seem to be the real powers of the world. It much more stable and democrat Africa emerging would be cool to see; but would be a bit of peace-wank (which I haven't seen much of on this board )
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I'm especially intrigued by the prospect of no wars in Algeria, Korea, & Vietnam, no slaughter in India at partition, no extended guerrilla wars in Namibia & elsewhere... ![]() And no Cuban missile crisis, & no Castro... (Which means Michael Corleone gets his casinos in Havana. ) Does this also butterfly the creation of Israel & the persistent wars & terrorism?![]()
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~as for Cuba: Castro does try and have his revolution in January of 1959, however the US invades in force, and kills Castro and his revolution. ~"Israel" ITTL is the Union of Palestine, made up of the State of Israel and the State of Palestine, with shared powers for the territory as a whole, and local autonomy. Jerusalem serves as the shared capital and is not in either state. So I'm not sure about the terrorism issue....It could still flare up, but over different stuff.
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and as promised, a new update
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And now I'm open for suggestions, cause I really have no idea where to go from here and redevelop how the 80's, 90's, and the 2000's play out. Also, I am going to rewrite parts of the "technology" update, especially the airship bit. After suggestions from phx, I think that I will not totally kill off the airship as I did originally. I think that he's right in the fact that the USN would keep the airship corps (though possibly downsized) for surveillance (oo, thought just occurred to me: could airships be useful in handling some of the US border problems? just a thought). Anywho, like I said, open to suggestions.
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