East Prussian Jewish State: ASB?

As we know, after the end of WWII the German population of East Prussia was expelled from that territory. What if the Allies decided that as compensation for the Holocaust the Jews be given this former part of Germany? Now, the Western Allies wouldn't like this I don't think because such a Jewish state would be surrounded by the Eastern bloc, but could it work? This seems like something highly unlikely and possibly ASB, but I wanted to just put it out there. I remembered a lot of Muslims said: " Why not give the Jews part of Germany? " and wanted to explore fully why this did not come about.
 
Suppose it's 1946 and you're a Polish Jew who managed to survive the Holocaust. How enthusiastic would you be about living in a country carved out of German territory and bordering on Germany?

Looking back from 2009, it's clear that the post-war Federal Republic of Germany is a free, democratic country that's willing to live in peace with its neighbors. Right after the war, though, there was legitimate fear that Germany would start yet another world war once it recovered if it were given the chance. In that context, you'd want any newly-formed Jewish state to be far enough from Germany to be outside of their aspirations of conquest. The British Mandate of Palestine fit the bill, and already had a large Jewish population that had been steadily migrating there to escape persecution in Europe since the late 19th century.
 
Suppose it's 1946 and you're a Polish Jew who managed to survive the Holocaust. How enthusiastic would you be about living in a country carved out of German territory and bordering on Germany?

Perhaps the Jews might consider the arrangement "poetic justice" against the Germans. And if you keep Poland within its 1939 borders, the new Jewish state would be separated from Germany. Also, a strong allied influence would keep the region from becoming influenced by the communists. It would very much change the tensions of the cold war.
 

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East Prussia did not have any pre-existing movement to become a Jewish homeland, does not have a substential Jewish population nor was the area so historically significant to the Jews.

Essentially, Israel was a much prefered choice because it was actually the best site to form the Jewish homeland, unless of course you are Arab.
 

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East Prussia did not have any pre-existing movement to become a Jewish homeland, does not have a substential Jewish population nor was the area so historically significant to the Jews.

Essentially, Israel was a much prefered choice because it was actually the best site to form the Jewish homeland, unless of course you are Arab.

Well, there's plenty of other land in the world. Land that, you know, isn't being used. Uganda? Madagascar?
 
but would the USSR agree to this? to a fairly anti-communist state in this area?

Historically, a lot of the Zionist movement was tied up with socialism, and Jews seemed to be a bit more likely than average to be socialists. I think we could get a socialist or communist state if we tried hard enough.
 
It's an interesting idea, but not plausible because there was already the Balfour declaration and a big Jewish minority in the mandate. "Hey, guys? Remember when we said we'd build you a homeland in Palestine? Well, we sorta lied. But guess where you can live, abandoning the new life you have built here? Germany!" Not going down so well.

At the risk of getting political, I certainly don't agree with your "some Muslims". Collective punishment is wrong, but what they're saying is not "stop collectively punishing us, you dicks!", it's "Why couldn't you collectively punish the Germans? Who cares about them?" That Germany was collectively punished renders the point kind of moot, but still. Not a good argument.
 
Hey, here's a thought: is it possible that some European (or American, or Russian for that matter) Jews might be more willing to immigrate to a "Jewish state" in Europe than to a "Jewish state" in the Middle East?

East Prussia did not have any pre-existing movement to become a Jewish homeland, does not have a substential Jewish population nor was the area so historically significant to the Jews.
The exact same things can be said about Uganda and Madagascar, and both of them remain popular ATL-Israel locations.

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Well, there's plenty of other land in the world. Land that, you know, isn't being used. Uganda? Madagascar?
Um, Uganda and Madagascar kinda were being used. By the Ugandans and the Malagasy, respectively.

In fact, this is an area where East Prussia has the advantage as a site for Israel because it was mostly empty: the Russian army killed and drove out (i.e. ethnically cleansed) the population when they conquered it in World War 2. The population was already displaced.

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It's an interesting idea, but not plausible because there was already the Balfour declaration and a big Jewish minority in the mandate. "Hey, guys? Remember when we said we'd build you a homeland in Palestine? Well, we sorta lied. But guess where you can live, abandoning the new life you have built here? Germany!" Not going down so well.
It's a bit dickish, yeah, but it could easily happen. But anyway, the part "But guess where you can live, abandoning the new life you have built here? Germany!" isn't really an honest representation of the situation, because no one would be forcing the Palestinian Jews to move to East Prussia. It's their choice to move or stay, and really there's no reason why Palestine shouldn't retain its big Jewish minority even when there is an official "Jewish nation" in existence.
 
Which Jew would be so daft to settle in a Land claimed by the Germans and bordered by Poles and Russians???? The Poles and many of the USSRs Nationalities enthusiastically helped the Germans getting rid of that very much hated minority. And there were quite a few pogroms in Poland after the war, until the Jews left.
 

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Which Jew would be so daft to settle in a Land claimed by the Germans and bordered by Poles and Russians???? The Poles and many of the USSRs Nationalities enthusiastically helped the Germans getting rid of that very much hated minority. And there were quite a few pogroms in Poland after the war, until the Jews left.

I'd suggest that Communist Jews might be interested, under the protection of the USSR. There were lots of them being as Soviet Communism was the least anti-semitic force in Eastern Europe at the time. If the Soviets helped them you could see a Jewish Warsaw Pact state on the Baltic, larger than Kaliningrad, but perhaps losing some territory to Poland. Exit Israel in a cloud of betterflies...

The question is, why would the Soviets decide to do this?
 
And if you keep Poland within its 1939 borders, the new Jewish state would be separated from Germany.

I don't think the Soviets were going to even discuss giving up their subtle conquest via their side in the joint invasion of Poland.
 
As we know, after the end of WWII the German population of East Prussia was expelled from that territory. What if the Allies decided that as compensation for the Holocaust the Jews be given this former part of Germany? Now, the Western Allies wouldn't like this I don't think because such a Jewish state would be surrounded by the Eastern bloc, but could it work? This seems like something highly unlikely and possibly ASB, but I wanted to just put it out there. I remembered a lot of Muslims said: " Why not give the Jews part of Germany? " and wanted to explore fully why this did not come about.
Depends on the timing. If Stalin declares it early and everyone decided to dump the DPs there... the mess in '48 may have to go the other way but it could work long term.

The real question is if it is Finlandized, a People's Republic, or an SSR.

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