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Old May 7th, 2012, 01:12 PM
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Very valid point. I just googled McAdoo's politics (not exactly full proof, but I digress) and it came back with "progressive." Maybe he became more conservative during the 1920s ITTL, but I was just going off of his views in OTL.
IOTL I would definitely call him a statist of the first order, but not particularly leftist. He managed the Treasury with unprecedented imperiousness and was a key player in Wilson's drastic economic centralization policy during the war. I'm sure Rast had other reasons for picking him, but it also doesn't help that he was endorsed by the KKK IOTL.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:59 PM
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The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midth of the valley which was full of bones.
(Bible – Ezekiel 37:1)

Having been tasked by J. Edgar Hoover with eliminating Alvin York, Joseph Caldwell King soon had realised that killing the bloke was not going to be a very difficult affair. It could be easily arranged; York’s security arrangements were ludicrous. Dealing with the riots that would erupt sure as death was the big challenge. The Holy Hurly-Burly had amply demonstrated what was going to happen, only that this time there was to be no message telling the Saint was alive to stop the turmoil.

Finding some hitmen to gun down York was easy. But secretly arranging everything for the suppression of violent rioting in several states proved to be a tedious task. If the preparations became known, York and his flock would be warned. But without rapid and targeted intervention, things might quickly run out of control. Mobilising National Guard units in advance would blow the whistle – and because they belonged to the individual states control would be insufficient. Thus, one would have to rely on the US Army.

General Malin Craig, who had replaced fallen from grace General Douglas MacArthur as Chief of Staff of the Army, was a seasoned field commander with ample experience in dealing with unruly civilians gathered on Hispaniola. Unfortunately, Craig wasn’t very co-operative. Twelvemile Creek seemed to have had serious consequences inside the Army, consequences which made the professional soldiers uneasy.

As it was, King had had to go back to J. Edgar – and J. Edgar to the President – to make sure that General Craig tagged along without reservations. Until everything was arranged, York’s march had already reached Virginia. King decided that Petersburg would be the place.

Elmer Robinson and Tommy, his bodyguard and lover, motivated by the threat of revealing their homosexuality to the other New York mobsters – and by a substantial donation, killed Alvin York with six bullets – and managed to get away unharmed. Obviously, nobody was looking for black assassins in the emerging panic.

Then, the Army clamped down on the marchers, trying to cage them into several preordained sites. This didn’t really work, too many of them were able to slip away. – After eight hours, by the evening of Wednesday, October 2nd, 1935, the riots were spreading: to the South, to the West – and to the North.

“I told you it wouldn’t work.” snarled General Craig, pointing to the map – where more and more red dots were being entered by his staff. “This is developing into a new Civil War...”
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:23 PM
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Ooooo-kay...McAdoo and J. Edgar were dumb enough to toss a lighted match into a gunpowder magazine. The shit is gonna hit the fan. Big time. Serves the bastards right
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:37 PM
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I hope things don't go completely anarchy; its too obvious
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:49 PM
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It's going down!

I hope whoever takes control of the U.S after this is a rational, sane person who can lead it back towards democracy and peace!
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Ooooo-kay...McAdoo and J. Edgar were dumb enough to toss a lighted match into a gunpowder magazine. The shit is gonna hit the fan. Big time. Serves the bastards right
The fan? I have a feeling the shit's gonna hit the upper stratosphere...
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:57 PM
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It's going down!

I hope whoever takes control of the U.S after this is a rational, sane person who can lead it back towards democracy and peace!
Chances of that happening:

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Old May 7th, 2012, 09:04 PM
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The fan? I have a feeling the shit's gonna hit the upper stratosphere...
Yeah, this could easily turn into a general riot. God knows people have enough reason to be dissatisfied with things. There's rising unemployment, and for those with jobs there's the falling quality of life.

We've talked a lot about the Midwest but not much has been said about Appalachia. Considering the ferocity of the fighting that occurred there IOTL, I can only imagine what the addition of a few hundred thousand followers of York might add to the mix.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 10:11 PM
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As the old saying goes, when it rains it pours...

At this point, it isn't even about making sure that democracy returns to the US or that it remains a great power. Its whether or not the US remains the UNITED States of America and not into a Balkanized patchwork of petty warring states, which I'm sure that many members here would be all too happy to witness and which by the current trend should happen by January 1st 1936.

Rather frightening just how quickly things deteriorated for the US...
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Old May 8th, 2012, 06:28 AM
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I know that this scenario is unpalatable to Americans. However, I still think that it's a welcome deviation from the AH cliché that the alt-US and/or its equivalents have to do just as good or even better than OTL's.

The way rast keeps pulling this off is nothing short of amazing.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 06:28 AM
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Burn baby burn!

What I want to know is how things can get worse for America. An invasion by another power would just unite the people. Maybe a plague? Natural disaster? Famine?
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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:29 AM
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Most likely the Disgruntled Grunts will join the fray. As might Reed's socialists.

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Old May 8th, 2012, 08:50 PM
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Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
(Bible – Isaiah 35:3)

Alvin York had chosen his lieutenants with great care and good knowledge of the human nature. While the bulk of the congregation was scattering in all directions, spreading riot and violence, three groups headed for Washington. Their mission had been designed by Saint Alvin: burn down the White House and kill Antichrist. York had been well aware what fate might lie ahead of him. Thus, he had seen that the Lord’s will would be executed no matter what happened to him.

Johannes S. Anderson had been a career sergeant in the Great Southern Conquest and had received the Medal of Honor for single-handedly overwhelming a band of Mexican fighters. He and York had met in hospital and remained friends – although Anderson never had joined the Disgruntled Grunts. – When, however, York had been selected by the Lord, Anderson, who had become a religious man after his combat experience, had come down from Illinois in order to help his friend fulfil the will of the Lord.

Having been born from parents of Swedish descent in what nowadays was Finland, Anderson had come to the USA as boy of twelve. His parents had bought a farm and made a scanty living without ever prospering, but had always maintained that this poor life in liberty was far better than living in Russia. – After Mexico, Anderson had come to see things differently. He had been henchman for people whose god no longer was the Lord but – mammon. York’s message had been what Anderson had been waiting for.

Now he was sitting in a lorry and driving through the night. York had taken care that everything was prepared. Weapons and explosives had been pre-stacked in Washington. Their papers declared them construction workers in transit. Anderson had been in Washington several times and knew the important localities and the routine security precautions. – He hoped the Lord would allow him to finalise Alvin York’s pledge.

He knew that two other groups were also heading for Washington. At least one of the three groups had to come through. – There was a road block ahead. Anderson told the driver to join the queue. It took only five minutes until they were controlled. Army, some tired out soldiers commanded by a lieutenant. – Yes, one had heard about the riots, but seen nothing. No, one had a job to do in Baltimore. Yes, thank you and good bye.

It was still dark, when they arrived in Washington. – The contact person was not on his place. It took two hours to find the bloke, who had got dead drunk upon hearing of York’s death. What a bloody idiot! – But during that time, the second group had arrived as well. Anderson had now twenty men. The dance could commence.

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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:06 PM
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As the old saying goes, when it rains it pours...

At this point, it isn't even about making sure that democracy returns to the US or that it remains a great power. Its whether or not the US remains the UNITED States of America and not into a Balkanized patchwork of petty warring states, which I'm sure that many members here would be all too happy to witness and which by the current trend should happen by January 1st 1936.

Rather frightening just how quickly things deteriorated for the US...

I'd only be happy about it insofar it would be radically different from what's usually done on here. And because it would be interesting to read.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:18 PM
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*walks past carrying crate of TNT, armed to the teeth, humming the National Anthem. Turns to look at the reader*

Hey, don't tell me you have dreamed of this. Besides if it gonna be done, we have to it right... filled to the brim with such epic badassness so in future years the movie industry just has to make a documentary to make it look like an action film.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:59 AM
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¡ Hi !: ¡ ONE PERFECT STORM !.

Rast, you know how to writte one excellent amazing tale, welll done, in anyway some ideas for start:

-That´s one intelligent, wise and perfect movement by part of McAdoo, using Elmer Robinson and Tommy for doing that attack, ¡ heck !, for decades maybe will it be books, investigations, ideas, of who´s was the people who shot and kill Saint Alvin.

-Alvin York, that´s one well written character, in their last days he was so compasive, so wise, and so good, and now he was one martyr killed by part of american´s goverment, ¡ heck ! for decades any people who try to show the american´s goverment as one force for better, their reasons and arguments will it be totally destroyed by only two words: Alvin York.

-Jhohanes S Anderson it looks as one wise, valiant leader and commander, and maybe their actions will change american´s destiny, will see...

-Yep, i can inmagine how angry maybe will it be ordinary grunts in Philipines will lisen the news of the murder of Alvin York .

-Forget the comparation to one civil war´s scenario, because this situation is totally worst: so many diverse armed groups, with totally distint ideology, faiths, fighting each other, more or less, everyone is armed, and add to that mix, Bradley´s grunts, Jack Reed Ghosts, organizated maffia, the dust bowl disaster, and well....

Is late now, i going to sleep some hours.

Good night, peace and good luck.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:59 AM
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So Alvin's gone. Pity.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 01:14 PM
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Different Civil Wars

IF this becomes a true civil war, there's a HUGE difference between this and the previous one.

The 1860's Civil War was much like othr wars, in that it was one region against another--Virginia was Rebel, New Hampshire was Union, etc. This one won't be by regions, and won't have regular armies and, IMVHO, even a nod to the laws of war. MUCH uglier, if it happens...
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:43 PM
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We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.
(President William G. McAdoo)

The White House was a charred and still smoking ruin, but the President was alive. – Actually, his double had been killed, but that fact had been classified ‘top secret’. The real McAdoo hadn’t even been near Washington, D.C., and this fact had been classified ‘top secret’ as well. – Now, with imminent danger gone, it was the President’s turn to mount an offensive. His address to the nation promised an uncompromising reaction. These un-American heretics and flagellants would not be allowed to propagate their miscreed any longer, a fallacy that was designed to turn upside down the natural order of things. The United States Armed Forces, the US agencies for crime fighting and security, the US Marshals, and all other federal offices were going to strike down hard and just on these rampant killers, rioters, and robbers – until all of them had been defanged. The States were summoned to mobilise the National Guard and join the struggle for democracy and righteousness.

In real life, however, things turned out to be much murkier. A Yorkist was hardly discernable from any other US citizen; and there were countless free riders – trying to use the Yorkist cause for their own ends. And because there was a racial issue linked to Saint Alvin’s quest, the relations between blacks and whites became difficult even in areas not at all touched by York’s march. – On the other hand, the Yorkists were lacking the Black Boy Scouts’ splendid intelligence on the Ku Klux Klan – and were striking out quite arbitrarily, hitting innocent people most of the time.

The Klan, expecting to be hit hard again, soon realised that this time impacts were sitting far off. Without respite, they went ahead, eager to retaliate for the defeat suffered in the Holy Hurly-Burly – and furthermore incited by their contacts to the Administration, who told them that no legal prosection was to be feared.

York’s lieutenants were acting according to their master’s motto: keep moving, do not sit still, don’t form a target. But of course, they knew that their troops were going to melt away like ice in the sun. Many were simply going home, others had different ideas how to proceed. There were some core units nevertheless, carefully raised under Alvin York’s tutelage, with which they could continue spreading havoc.

As there were no clear fronts – and every stranger could mean danger, the direct effect was that neighbourhoods teamed up and controlled their turf. But this was only good – if at all – for the individual neighbourhood, not for passers-by. – All things considered, public safety and order was quickly collapsing in several states – Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Alabma were forming the initial echelon.

In Las Vegas, Omar Bardley was cursing wildly. His plans weren’t ready yet. – This could have been an ideal opportunity to strike out against FSS, FBN and FCFA, these un-American institutions. Why couldn’t that dumbass York wait with dying? – And somewhere in the North-West, Jack Reed was doing almost the same...

Thus, during the first few days, the States west of the Mississippi remained rather calm, although discontent in the Mid-West had been boiling high already before – and independently from – York’s campaign. However, people were vigilantly monitoring events on the other bank of Old Man River.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:45 PM
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