at most you could have a majority of the nations in the hapsburg independent, but closely connected via the hapsburgs. a-h was on a timetable, full of various nationalities waiting to revolt.
i stand corrected i guessNo, this is a myth perpetuated by the results of WWI and positivist, present-centered history. Austria-Hungary, while not some unstoppable military juggernaut, was also not the edge of tipping over until well into the First World War, specifically the entrance of a power espousing ethnic self-determination as the basis of post-war state-building. It was a stable state which afforded its subjects a standard of living comparable to that of Germany or France.
There are a host of PoDs which make it likely for the Habsburg Monarchy to survive. Federalization seems the best option. United States of Greater Austria and all that jazz.
No, this is a myth perpetuated by the results of WWI and positivist, present-centered history. Austria-Hungary, while not some unstoppable military juggernaut, was also not the edge of tipping over until well into the First World War, specifically the entrance of a power espousing ethnic self-determination as the basis of post-war state-building. It was a stable state which afforded its subjects a standard of living comparable to that of Germany or France.
There are a host of PoDs which make it likely for the Habsburg Monarchy to survive. Federalization seems the best option. United States of Greater Austria and all that jazz.
No, this is a myth perpetuated by the results of WWI and positivist, present-centered history. Austria-Hungary, while not some unstoppable military juggernaut, was also not the edge of tipping over until well into the First World War, specifically the entrance of a power espousing ethnic self-determination as the basis of post-war state-building. It was a stable state which afforded its subjects a standard of living comparable to that of Germany or France.
There are a host of PoDs which make it likely for the Habsburg Monarchy to survive. Federalization seems the best option. United States of Greater Austria and all that jazz.
Just to clarify but is your usage of Austro-Hungarian mean we're limited to points of departure after the Ausgleich in 1867 or can we make changes before that? I ask as I often find people use Austro-Hungarian Empire interchangeably with Austrian Empire even though the former followed the latter with some rather large changes.Are there any possible PODs that would enable AH monarchy to reform, to become more stable, and less likely to collapse?
In an ideal world there wouldn't have been an Ausgleich in the first place, I've always liked the idea of a slow movement towards a sort of federation but with a strong central government.Or you can have an Austro-Hungarian War when the Ausgleich next comes up for renewal and have the revolting Hungarians lose.
Nice to see that people have so many good ideas. I meant Austria, not Austro-Hungary, my mistake. I would like to see Austria do better, in almost every TL I see AH ends up being a punching bag, and splits up. I have been writing something but I will probably never put it up because I am not sure how plausable it is, and I am scared of someone accusing me of Austrowank.
But thank you all anyways for your ideas and discussion no matter how short it is.
NEVER BE AFRAID OF CREATING AN AUSTROWANK. It was my bread and butter when I wrote TLs. Let your Schwarz-und-Gelb freak flag fly!
This, I like this. A lot.Oh good, in that case I shall forward my favourite point of departure of Emperor Charles VI arranging a different match for his daughter Maria Theresa she instead marrying Charles Emmanuel III of Sardinia to create the House of Habsburg-Savoy. He also listens to Prince Eugene of Savoy's advice to not try and buy off acceptance of the Pragmatic Sanction of 1713 from foreign rulers but instead invest all the time and money into expanding and improving the Austrian military. Charles Emmanuel, like his father Victor Amadeus II, was from what I've read a quite forward thinking reformer in both the civil and military spheres but sensible in not trying to change things too rapidly so a good match for Maria Theresa.
Come the War of Austrian Succession the Austrian Empire is able to do much better managing to fight Prussia to a draw allowing them to retain Silesia, or at least Upper, that is the southern part of, Silesia. Obviously there won't be a Joseph II who had the urge to try and swap Bavaria for the Austrian Netherlands but it's an enticing idea in that it would expand Austria's influence in the Holy Roman Empire and make the Habsburg lands more ethnically German overall. Even without that having added the Kingdom of Sardinia to their holdings means the Habsburgs control most of the mountain passes between France and northern Italy and have potentially locked the French out so over time expect them to try and expand their influence to take over all Italy down to the Papal States.
For extra Habsburg-wank have the Austrians already of swapped Bavaria for the Kingdom of Naples at the close of the War of Spanish Succession since they were occupying it. Then have things play out roughly as in our timeline until we come to the creation of the House of Habsburg-Savoy as above.
Nice to see that people have so many good ideas. I meant Austria, not Austro-Hungary, my mistake. I would like to see Austria do better, in almost every TL I see AH ends up being a punching bag, and splits up. I have been writing something but I will probably never put it up because I am not sure how plausable it is, and I am scared of someone accusing me of Austrowank.
But thank you all anyways for your ideas and discussion no matter how short it is.
Just post it to be honest Austro-wanks are sadly absent on this site more often than not