PC: North and South America One Nation

Manifest Destiny on a combination of steroids and bath salts.

Seriously though, it helps to specify dates for a POD, This is a lot less likely to happen with a pod in say, 1776 than 10,000 BC, which is so long ago that literally anything could've been different by 1900.

That said, my best answer is the United States somehow going in a fascist direction and directly annexing their sphere around the 1880s-1890s.
 
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Manifest Destiny on a combination of steroids and bath salts.

Seriously though, it helps to specify dates for a POD, This is a lot less likely to happen with a pod in say, 1776 than 10,000 BC, which is so long ago that literally anything could've been different by 1900.

That said, my best answer is the United States somehow going in a fascist direction and directly annexing their sphere around the 1880s-1890s.

It does not have to be by the USA.
 
I would say a Spain that formed a lasting permanent union with Portugal would have a very good chance.

As long as they make sure France and England stay weak/distracted, and that the Dutch either stay or are brought under the thumb too. They could always take any other nations colonies in war, which should be possible as long as they capitalise on their huge advantages.

No whether such a large country could remain undivided is the next issue.
 
In fact, I don't think it is that difficult: many Spanish American founding fathers call themselves Americans, especially in Nueva Granada and Río de la Plata. Of course, Hispanics definitely won't have the same rights as wasps for a long time.
 
I would say a Spain that formed a lasting permanent union with Portugal would have a very good chance.

As long as they make sure France and England stay weak/distracted, and that the Dutch either stay or are brought under the thumb too. They could always take any other nations colonies in war, which should be possible as long as they capitalise on their huge advantages.

No whether such a large country could remain undivided is the next issue.
Tha could be useful, at the same time, giving their colonies more liberties; perhaps something like Britania in Cose Geass, The Kingdom of Spain and Portugal fall to Napoleon, meanwhile the last two descendenst of both monarquies escape to SouthAmerica and reform the colonies, giving them more freedom, joining together, preparing for the posible reconquest of the motherland, but in the process, maybe they change mind and see to the north.

In fact, I don't think it is that difficult: many Spanish American founding fathers call themselves Americans, especially in Nueva Granada and Río de la Plata. Of course, Hispanics definitely won't have the same rights as wasps for a long time.
that is the problem, if there were a change in the treatment of colonies, these had stayed loyal to the monarquies for a long time. As i said, the moment was when Spain and Portugal fall to Napoleon, and the Juntas gain power in SouthAmerica.
 
Well.....

The closest thing I can think of, that doesn't involve *too* much handwavium to be borderline ASB, would be a mini-TL concept I did called the "Trans-American Federation", with a POD right around the start of the revolution, and by the year 2000, encompassed most of North America(with the exception of northern Canada, with much of it's population clustered around the Peace River Country), and a large portion of South America, including most of Argentina. And here it is:

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The closest thing I can think of, that doesn't involve *too* much handwavium to be borderline ASB, would be a mini-TL concept I did called the "Trans-American Federation", with a POD right around the start of the revolution, and by the year 2000, encompassed most of North America(with the exception of northern Canada, with much of it's population clustered around the Peace River Country), and a large portion of South America, including most of Argentina. Here's a copy that was posted on Alex's site:

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1) easiest solution is a world government, where the whole world's one nation
2) having a Draka-esque government in the Old World (e.g. Nazis or Stalinist USSR controlling all of Europe and parts of Asia) could lead to the 'free World' uniting, so would include both Americas, Oceania, maybe parts of Africa and Asia.



The Americas and only the Americas? Nope. Don't see it.
 
1) easiest solution is a world government, where the whole world's one nation
2) having a Draka-esque government in the Old World (e.g. Nazis or Stalinist USSR controlling all of Europe and parts of Asia) could lead to the 'free World' uniting, so would include both Americas, Oceania, maybe parts of Africa and Asia.



The Americas and only the Americas? Nope. Don't see it.

Why can't you just have a Draka-esque government in the New world that then conquers the rest of it? Like a dystopian America?
 
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What about a more successful Seven Years War for the UK? Which would mean that Britain also gains Cuba? Then once the American Revolution starts, the British introduce a Quebec Act (which also is expanded to Cuba in this case) which is a extension of the Irish Penal Laws in practice.

This means that the French and Spanish Speaking Catholics formally join the ARW and means that the Founding Fathers would consist of English, French and Spanish Speakers, Protestants and Catholics and White and Mixed-Race. As well as the likelihood of the Iroquois siding with the Patriots (because the British are even more likely to face defeat than in OTL and if they do there is no safe haven for them escape to). The United States also has Nova Scotia, Jamaica, The Cayman Islands and The Bahamas from the start as well.

When the Napoleonic Wars happen, the British need wood for their navy and the Americans need to gain the Louisiana Territory off the French. Eventually they come to "devils agreement" for the British to back the Americans in a war against the Spanish and French to gain Louisiana Territory and the French (who also hold the Dutch Caribbean Colonies) and Spanish Caribbean Colonies (and French/Dutch Guinea).

Due to the fact both nations are busy fighting in Europe, they lose this battle, which also helps the British as every army sent across the Atlantic is one less to deal with in Europe. Britain also sells Ruperts Land/Oregon Territory/NWT to the United States.

To compensate the loss of BNA, the British have a more successful invasion of RDP (Now Argentina and other nearby states) and gain that and Chile as a new colony called "British South America", when you add that to the turmoil caused by Napoleons invasion of Spain in South America and the example of their fellow Spanish Speaking Catholics in Cuba (in comparison to how Madrid rules over them), the Viceroys of Spanish South America are in revolt.

America is not best pleased with the Britain's antics in RDP, thus they introduce a ITTL Monroe Doctrine and get involved in the South American Wars of independence, which were successful in New Granada and New Spain. Peru was a mixed bag, Lower Peru was freed from Spanish rule but Upper Peru fell to the British.

New Spain, New Granada and Lower Peru become the independent republics of Mexico, Gran Columbia and Peru respectably and thanks to their shared experience in the war, build close ties with the United States, which leads to Protectorate Status for all 3 (which all eventually become States of the US)

The question of slavery leads the slaver regions to break off and form the CSA, because of the numerical disadvantages they have over the remaining USA they soon faced defeat. Britain and France however had concerns about the rise of the United States, so to put down a potential rival they end up backing the CSA, this in turn encourages Russia to make the most of that potential chance to take Constantinople.

Thus there is a world war and eventually the Americans defeat the Brazilians (and take the Northern Part of the country), France, Spain and Britain (who lose their Caribbean Colonies, Newfoundland, British Guinea and Upper Peru).

Eventually there is another war between Britain and Brazil later on which eventually results in the annexation of the remainder of British South America and Brazil (considering the British tried to breakup the United States, the latter is not keen on them remaining in the continent), they may or may not take Australia/New Zealand as well.
 
What about a more successful Seven Years War for the UK? Which would mean that Britain also gains Cuba? Then once the American Revolution starts, the British introduce a Quebec Act (which also is expanded to Cuba in this case) which is a extension of the Irish Penal Laws in practice.

This means that the French and Spanish Speaking Catholics formally join the ARW and means that the Founding Fathers would consist of English, French and Spanish Speakers, Protestants and Catholics and White and Mixed-Race. As well as the likelihood of the Iroquois siding with the Patriots (because the British are even more likely to face defeat than in OTL and if they do there is no safe haven for them escape to). The United States also has Nova Scotia, Jamaica, The Cayman Islands and The Bahamas from the start as well

Why does the ARW still occur after a more successful Seven Years' War, and why would French and Spanish Catholics want to join mostly Protestant revolutionaries?
 
Why does the ARW still occur after a more successful Seven Years' War

The issue of taxation is not going to go away

and why would French and Spanish Catholics want to join mostly Protestant revolutionaries?

Because unlike in OTL the British have basically decided to treat the French and Spanish Catholics as well as they did the Irish at the time (not well to say the least), the land transfers to Quebec in OTL are transferred to the HBC ITTL.

In others the already resentful Canadians and Cubans have a issue with the British Government, thus they have a reason to fight against them.
 
What about a more successful Seven Years War for the UK? Which would mean that Britain also gains Cuba? Then once the American Revolution starts, the British introduce a Quebec Act (which also is expanded to Cuba in this case) which is a extension of the Irish Penal Laws in practice.

This means that the French and Spanish Speaking Catholics formally join the ARW and means that the Founding Fathers would consist of English, French and Spanish Speakers, Protestants and Catholics and White and Mixed-Race. As well as the likelihood of the Iroquois siding with the Patriots (because the British are even more likely to face defeat than in OTL and if they do there is no safe haven for them escape to). The United States also has Nova Scotia, Jamaica, The Cayman Islands and The Bahamas from the start as well.

When the Napoleonic Wars happen, the British need wood for their navy and the Americans need to gain the Louisiana Territory off the French. Eventually they come to "devils agreement" for the British to back the Americans in a war against the Spanish and French to gain Louisiana Territory and the French (who also hold the Dutch Caribbean Colonies) and Spanish Caribbean Colonies (and French/Dutch Guinea).

Due to the fact both nations are busy fighting in Europe, they lose this battle, which also helps the British as every army sent across the Atlantic is one less to deal with in Europe. Britain also sells Ruperts Land/Oregon Territory/NWT to the United States.

To compensate the loss of BNA, the British have a more successful invasion of RDP (Now Argentina and other nearby states) and gain that and Chile as a new colony called "British South America", when you add that to the turmoil caused by Napoleons invasion of Spain in South America and the example of their fellow Spanish Speaking Catholics in Cuba (in comparison to how Madrid rules over them), the Viceroys of Spanish South America are in revolt.

America is not best pleased with the Britain's antics in RDP, thus they introduce a ITTL Monroe Doctrine and get involved in the South American Wars of independence, which were successful in New Granada and New Spain. Peru was a mixed bag, Lower Peru was freed from Spanish rule but Upper Peru fell to the British.

New Spain, New Granada and Lower Peru become the independent republics of Mexico, Gran Columbia and Peru respectably and thanks to their shared experience in the war, build close ties with the United States, which leads to Protectorate Status for all 3 (which all eventually become States of the US)

The question of slavery leads the slaver regions to break off and form the CSA, because of the numerical disadvantages they have over the remaining USA they soon faced defeat. Britain and France however had concerns about the rise of the United States, so to put down a potential rival they end up backing the CSA, this in turn encourages Russia to make the most of that potential chance to take Constantinople.

Thus there is a world war and eventually the Americans defeat the Brazilians (and take the Northern Part of the country), France, Spain and Britain (who lose their Caribbean Colonies, Newfoundland, British Guinea and Upper Peru).

Eventually there is another war between Britain and Brazil later on which eventually results in the annexation of the remainder of British South America and Brazil (considering the British tried to breakup the United States, the latter is not keen on them remaining in the continent), they may or may not take Australia/New Zealand as well.

That is so ASB. The USA was anti-Catholic and would not want to be ruled over by other Catholics. If the USA population grows larger over time though, they could be a little more willing just as long as the Catholic populations are small.
 
That is so ASB. The USA was anti-Catholic and would not want to be ruled over by other Catholics. If the USA population grows larger over time though, they could be a little more willing just as long as the Catholic populations are small.

The US was not "that" Anti-Catholic in the 1770s (it did increase in OTL) in the 1840s), there were Catholics who signed the DoI and anyway the main issues the founding fathers with Catholics was over land (which does not apply with the ITTL Quebec Act) and the undemocratic nature of the Catholic Church. The Patriots also tried several times to get Quebec on board as well.
 
The US was not "that" Anti-Catholic in the 1770s (it did increase in OTL) in the 1840s), there were Catholics who signed the DoI and anyway the main issues the founding fathers with Catholics was over land (which does not apply with the ITTL Quebec Act) and the undemocratic nature of the Catholic Church. The Patriots also tried several times to get Quebec on board as well.

Still, most Americans wouldn't be too comfortable have them as their neighbors.
 
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