The Union Forever: A TL

[Ares96]

Wow, you're really intent upon giving Spain an even worse 19th century, aren't you? IOTL it's a wonder they came through the 1860s and the 1870s in one piece.

[metastasis_d]

Perhaps a worse 19th century will lead to a better 20th?

[Mac Gregor]

What do y'all think of using one of these two flags for Spain in the TL? Should a coat of arms be added?

[Mac Gregor]

and here's number two

[Darth_Kiryan]

Yellow and red. Looks better.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Adûnakhôr

Yellow and red. Looks better.

Agreed. Let's see with Coat of Arms; I think it looks pretty good as is.

[Cuāuhtemōc]

I like number two.

[Lalli]

I like about red-yellow flag. Red-white seems too British.

[Mac Gregor]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say that despite not having the time to make any new posts here in Afghanistan this TL is still very much alive and I think about it often. I would be interested in y'all's opinons on what form you think 1950's American pop culture should take?

Cheers!

[CaliBoy1990]

Originally Posted by Mac Gregor

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say that despite not having the time to make any new posts here in Afghanistan this TL is still very much alive and I think about it often. I would be interested in y'all's opinons on what form you think 1950's American pop culture should take?

Cheers!

Lots of examples from OTL wouldn't hurt, I don't think. But then again, we could try to make things interesting: why not try a mixture of *jazz & *rock, for example? I'd also like to see how OTL's car culture might turn out. Hot rods and customs, anybody?

[Lalli]

American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.

[metastasis_d]

A lot more Spanish and Caribbean influence, with the US having Spanish-speaking states and states/territories in the Caribbean.

[CaliBoy1990]

Originally Posted by Lalli

American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.

It'd be nice to see the Hays Codes butterflied: they never really did much good anyhow.

As for Prohibition? Well, one plausible scenario I could still see happening is cannabis prohibition still becoming somewhat widespread, although not quite nationwide; instead perhaps limited to most of the South, Southwest(where OTL's anti-marijuana mania started), and maybe a few more conservative Midwestern states as well. I'd imagine a 'Thunder Road' analogue(just with weed instead of moonshine.) could become a smash hit if written and directed well enough.

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

A lot more Spanish and Caribbean influence, with the US having Spanish-speaking states and states/territories in the Caribbean.

Sounds cool to me.

[Letterman]

My immediate thought re: American pop culture in this TL's 1950s is Elvis Presley? Does he exist in this TL and if not, is there an equivalent for him?

[Darth_Kiryan]

Originally Posted by Mac Gregor

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say that despite not having the time to make any new posts here in Afghanistan this TL is still very much alive and I think about it often. I would be interested in y'all's opinons on what form you think 1950's American pop culture should take?

Cheers!

You are in Afghanistan?

[Lalli]

Originally Posted by Letterman

My immediate thought re: American pop culture in this TL's 1950s is Elvis Presley? Does he exist in this TL and if not, is there an equivalent for him?

No. Elvis Presley not be exist in TTL. And nor anybody else who has born in OTL nine months after POD or before early 1863.

[Mac Gregor]

Originally Posted by Lalli

American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.

I hadn't thought about the Hays Codes. I will look in to that. Indeed without prohibition the standard ganster picture will be different. ITTL organized crime is still a problem in the major cities and the Carribean States especially Panama.

[Mac Gregor]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

A lot more Spanish and Caribbean influence, with the US having Spanish-speaking states and states/territories in the Caribbean.

My thoughts exactly. I was wondering what influence the former French territories could have on American music?

[Mac Gregor]

Originally Posted by Letterman

My immediate thought re: American pop culture in this TL's 1950s is Elvis Presley? Does he exist in this TL and if not, is there an equivalent for him?

Originally Posted by Lalli

No. Elvis Presley not be exist in TTL. And nor anybody else who has born in OTL nine months after POD or before early 1863.

Lalli is totally correct.

[Mac Gregor]

Originally Posted by CaliBoy1990

It'd be nice to see the Hays Codes butterflied: they never really did much good anyhow.

As for Prohibition? Well, one plausible scenario I could still see happening is cannabis prohibition still becoming somewhat widespread, although not quite nationwide; instead perhaps limited to most of the South, Southwest(where OTL's anti-marijuana mania started), and maybe a few more conservative Midwestern states as well. I'd imagine a 'Thunder Road' analogue(just with weed instead of moonshine.) could become a smash hit if written and directed well enough.



Sounds cool to me.

Haven't really thought about marijuana ITTL. I will give it some thought.