The Union Forever: A TL - Page 90

Ares96 · #**1781** July 12th, 2012, 11:33 PM

Why isn't the Burgenland part of Germany? Hungary was a loser in the war, so I'd think the Coalition should be free to do as they please with the borders. Also, if we're going for ethnic borders, Slovakia is off. It's supposed to have less land in the west and more in the east. Look at the borders of the First Vienna Award, and you'll pretty much have it right.

And another thing - if Russia would want to keep Poland complacent (and they would; they certainly wouldn't want a repeat of 1862, anyway), they should give them western Galicia, or at least Kraków.

pearsonwright · #**1782** July 12th, 2012, 11:43 PM

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Why isn't the Burgenland part of Germany? Hungary was a loser in the war, so I'd think the Coalition should be free to do as they please with the borders. Also, if we're going for ethnic borders, Slovakia is off. It's supposed to have less land in the west and more in the east. Look at the borders of the First Vienna Award, and you'll pretty much have it right.

And another thing - if Russia would want to keep Poland complacent (and they would; they certainly wouldn't want a repeat of 1862, anyway), they should give them western Galicia, or at least Kraków.

I think it would be part of Germany, but we just forgot it on the maps

While I think it would lose land to Hungary, I think the map shows the eastern border just fine.

I don't think Poland was given autonomy yet, but when It was I could see them doing that.

However, its all up to Mac Gregor

Mac Gregor · #**1783** July 12th, 2012, 11:51 PM

Good points y'all.

1) I agree about Burgenland. Can someone assign it to Germany.
2) Pearsonwright, lets go with option two for Slovenia. Also despite these nations being in the German sphere they don't have nor does Germany press for German autonmous zones. Good question though.
3) I am no sure about the borders for Slovakia. Why Ares are they off?

pearsonwright · #**1784** July 12th, 2012, 11:59 PM

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Good points y'all.

1) I agree about Burgenland. Can someone assign it to Germany.
2) Pearsonwright, lets go with option two for Slovenia. Also despite these nations being in the German sphere they don't have nor does Germany press for German autonmous zones. Good question though.
3) I am no sure about the borders for Slovakia. Why Ares are they off?

1) Done

2) Fixed Slovenia. Though I still think Germany would try to take care of Ethnic Germans in these other areas and try to get them autonomy given their strong position. Maybe they just force their client states in the Balkans to prevent discrimination of the Germans or protect their property or something.

3) I tried to fix them as best I could.

metastasis_d · #**1785** July 13th, 2012, 07:23 AM

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1) Done

2) Fixed Slovenia. Though I still think Germany would try to take care of Ethnic Germans in these other areas and try to get them autonomy given their strong position. Maybe they just force their client states in the Balkans to prevent discrimination of the Germans or protect their property or something.

3) I tried to fix them as best I could.

Looks pretty good to me.

pearsonwright · #**1786** July 13th, 2012, 08:35 AM

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Looks pretty good to me.

Now that we have got Europe figured out (at least mostly) lets move onto Africa!

metastasis_d · #**1787** July 13th, 2012, 08:57 AM

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Now that we have got Europe figured out (at least mostly) lets move onto Africa!

Liberia is its own orange, not Dutch orange, right?

Also, I'd forgotten that the UK got Mayotte and Réunion. Those'll be the Falkland Islands of the Indian Ocean, methinks, seeing as how the scattered islands and Mayotte are already claimed by other countries than France OTL. Then again, the UK could cut them loose like Seychelles and Mauritius OTL.

metastasis_d · #**1788** July 13th, 2012, 09:01 AM

By the way, is there a term that encompasses those West Indian Ocean islands? I know that Mauritius/Réunion and a few of the ones in that chain are the Mascarenes, and the NW ones are the Comoro Islands, but like Palau-Gilberts are "Micronesia", the triangle from New Zealand through Hawaii through Easter Island are "Polynesia", the islands from New Guinea through Fiji are Melanesia, and the Azores, Madeira, the Canaries, and Cape Verde are Macaronesia... Is there something like that to describe the entire group in the West Indian Ocean?

pearsonwright · #**1789** July 13th, 2012, 09:04 AM

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Liberia is its own orange, not Dutch orange, right?

Also, I'd forgotten that the UK got Mayotte and Réunion. Those'll be the Falkland Islands of the Indian Ocean, methinks, seeing as how the scattered islands and Mayotte are already claimed by other countries than France OTL. Then again, the UK could cut them loose like Seychelles and Mauritius OTL.

Yes, I'm working on a map with a key, so people don't mistake it!

pearsonwright · #**1790** July 13th, 2012, 09:17 AM

Here is a map of Europe and Africa and the Near East in 1950

metastasis_d · #**1791** July 13th, 2012, 09:21 AM

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Here is a map of Europe and Africa and the Near East in 1950

I like it. Especially Switzerland being insignificant.

pearsonwright · #**1792** July 13th, 2012, 09:26 AM

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I like it. Especially Switzerland being insignificant.

Part of me wants to give Andorra is own color to insult Switzerland even more.

metastasis_d · #**1793** July 13th, 2012, 10:13 AM

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Part of me wants to give Andorra is own color to insult Switzerland even more.

I bet you won't do it.

(But don't forget San Marino, Lichtenstein, Andorra, and Monaco)

pearsonwright · #**1794** July 13th, 2012, 11:04 AM

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Lalli · #**1795** July 13th, 2012, 01:25 PM

What is situation of Vatican? Would it be part of Italy or would there be some indepent Papal State? That might be quiet big effects for Catholic Church.

pearsonwright · #**1796** July 13th, 2012, 01:26 PM

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What is situation of Vatican? Would it be part of Italy or would there be some indepent Papal State? That might be quiet big effects for Catholic Church.

I was thinking the same thing, since the Lateran Treaty would be butterflied.

Though since Italy is a Republic, that may complicate matters...

Maybe the Vatican still manages to get what it got OTL, or maybe even the Leoine city, since I suspect The Catholic religion will still have a huge influence in Italy, even if its a Republic