Queen Victoria’s last love – A young Muslim

[Rehmat]

Many reports have claimed that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in 1997 due to her love affair with a Muslim, Dodi Fayed, son of Egptian billionaire Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al Fayed. However, not many people know that Queen Victoria too fell in love with her Muslim servant Abdul Karim from British India.

British Channel 4′s documentary, titled ‘Queen Victoria’s last love’ shed light on one of many secrets about England’s longest reigning monarch. The documentary features interviews with relatives of both Queen Victoria’s household and Abdul Karim, as well as extracts from Queen Victoria’s diaries and journals.

In 1897, Queen Victoria celebrated her Diamond Jubilee – the first British monarch to do so. But beyond the grand celebrations on London’s streets, a war was raging between Victoria and her court over her relationship with her Indian servant Abdul Karim.

Victoria’s friendship with her Scottish servant John Brown is a familiar story. Her relationship with her Munshi (teacher) Karim, is less known but produced even greater shockwaves in the palace.

Their relationship violated Victorian taboos of religion, race and class as well as stoking bitter jealousy in the royal household; Karim was showered with honours and promoted over the courtiers whose families had served the royal family for generations.

The presence of a Muslim at the heart of the British court even threatened to destabilise the politics of Empire itself.

A crisis point was reached in the summer of 1897 in a dramatic confrontation between the Queen and her family, which threatened to plunge diamond jubilee celebrations into chaos by declaring the Queen insane. The Queen planned to Knight him.

On January 22, 1901 – when Queen Victoria died, the protection Abdul Karim had enjoyed came to a sudden end. He was later sent back to India.
The documentary is directed by Rob Coldstream; actress Veronica Clifford plays Queen Victoria and Kushal Pal Singh plays the part of Abdul Karim. Geoffrey Palmer acts as narrator.

[Titus_Pullo]

Originally Posted by Rehmat

Many reports have claimed that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in 1997 due to her love affair with a Muslim, Dodi Fayed, son of Egptian billionaire Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al Fayed. However, not many people know that Queen Victoria too fell in love with her Muslim servant Abdul Karim from British India.

British Channel 4′s documentary, titled ‘Queen Victoria’s last love’ shed light on one of many secrets about England’s longest reigning monarch. The documentary features interviews with relatives of both Queen Victoria’s household and Abdul Karim, as well as extracts from Queen Victoria’s diaries and journals.

In 1897, Queen Victoria celebrated her Diamond Jubilee – the first British monarch to do so. But beyond the grand celebrations on London’s streets, a war was raging between Victoria and her court over her relationship with her Indian servant Abdul Karim.

Victoria’s friendship with her Scottish servant John Brown is a familiar story. Her relationship with her Munshi (teacher) Karim, is less known but produced even greater shockwaves in the palace.

Their relationship violated Victorian taboos of religion, race and class as well as stoking bitter jealousy in the royal household; Karim was showered with honours and promoted over the courtiers whose families had served the royal family for generations.

The presence of a Muslim at the heart of the British court even threatened to destabilise the politics of Empire itself.

A crisis point was reached in the summer of 1897 in a dramatic confrontation between the Queen and her family, which threatened to plunge diamond jubilee celebrations into chaos by declaring the Queen insane. The Queen planned to Knight him.

On January 22, 1901 – when Queen Victoria died, the protection Abdul Karim had enjoyed came to a sudden end. He was later sent back to India.
The documentary is directed by Rob Coldstream; actress Veronica Clifford plays Queen Victoria and Kushal Pal Singh plays the part of Abdul Karim. Geoffrey Palmer acts as narrator.

I saw a movie which also hinted at a romantic link between Victoria and a Scottish servant. I think the movie's title was Mr. Brown.

[eliphas8]

What the fuck are people posting all of this drivel for? I mean goddamnit these have nothing to do with Alternate History in the slightest.

[twovultures]

Originally Posted by eliphas8

What the fuck are people posting all of this drivel for? I mean goddamnit these have nothing to do with Alternate History in the slightest.

Judging form his Zheng He post, Rehmat is trying to spam his Muslim-centric history blog on these boards.

[Darth_Kiryan]

Rehmat. Why should we care.

[CalBear]

Originally Posted by Rehmat

...was later sent back to India.
The documentary is directed by Rob Coldstream; actress Veronica Clifford plays Queen Victoria and Kushal Pal Singh plays the part of Abdul Karim. Geoffrey Palmer acts as narrator.

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This site does not exist to allow you to promote your own web site.

Generally we just disappear folks who are spammers since they are bots. Since you appear to be an actual person, let me inform you that your IP has been reported to the various Forum Spam busting sites so it will appear for other web masters information in the future.

I would personnaly like to urge you to:

1. Buy an older car, one without airbags.

2. Ignore seatbelt laws. Seat belts are for candy asses.

3. Always drive at a high rate of speed

4. Remember that the safest tires are bald (that's why they use them on race cars)

5. Remember that one set of brake pads will last the life of your car. Anyone who tells you different is trying to rip you off.

6. Headlights are for sissies.

Banned for spamming.

To Coventry with you.

BTW: I deleted your links.

[CaliBoy1990]

Originally Posted by CalBear

This site does not exist to allow you to promote your own web site.

Generally we just disappear folks who are spammers since they are bots. Since you appear to be an actual person, let me inform you that your IP has been reported to the various Forum Spam busting sites so it will appear for other web masters information in the future.

I would personnaly like to urge you to:

1. Buy an older car, one without airbags.

2. Ignore seatbelt laws. Seat belts are for candy asses.

3. Always drive at a high rate of speed

4. Remember that the safest tires are bald (that's why they use them on race cars)

5. Remember that one set of brake pads will last the life of your car. Anyone who tells you different is trying to rip you off.

6. Headlights are for sissies.

Banned for spamming.

To Coventry with you.

BTW: I deleted your links.

I have to be honest, Cal: no offense, but I do think you went just a tad too far with the auto accident joke, if only because he wasn't a particularly nasty troll or anything; now, if he had been somebody like Billy Roper, I'd understand.
To clarify: the banning was by all means warranted since he did spam, but I just think that particular joke could've been saved for somebody far nastier. That's all.

[MNP]

^He's a bigot, going on and on about Zionism at his link.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by CalBear

This site does not exist to allow you to promote your own web site.

Cal, I think you went a bit too far with this particular joke...

[Sidheach]

Originally Posted by CalBear

This site does not exist to allow you to promote your own web site.

Right now if he was going on about how Diana's death was one giant conspiracy I wouldn't bat an eyelid buuuut he didn't he's just peddling what seems like a third rate romance novel ergo I honestly feel that what you said was a bit unnecessary and frankly ruder then what he did.

[Massa Chief]

Originally Posted by MNP

^He's a bigot, going on and on about Zionism at his link.

Yeah- just go to the mainpage, starts talking about "extreme Zionism", et al. Possibly anti-semitic conspiracy troll.

[metastasis_d]

The car thing was kind of out there, but I've seen worse.

[Nekromans]

That documentary repeatedly said that he was "like a son to her". It really is disappointing that women can't have close relationships with unrelated men without everyone assuming they're playing hide the sausage.

[CaliBoy1990]

Originally Posted by MNP

^He's a bigot, going on and on about Zionism at his link.

I see what you mean now....he's got links to Press TV(extremist right-wing hate site masquerading as Israel critics), Hizbullah(yes, there is a pun in there), and even the President of Iran and that sad little nutter Gilad Atzmon? Holy shit.

[CalBear]

Originally Posted by CaliBoy1990

I have to be honest, Cal: no offense, but I do think you went just a tad too far with the auto accident joke, if only because he wasn't a particularly nasty troll or anything; now, if he had been somebody like Billy Roper, I'd understand.
To clarify: the banning was by all means warranted since he did spam, but I just think that particular joke could've been saved for somebody far nastier. That's all.

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Cal, I think you went a bit too far with this particular joke...

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

The car thing was kind of out there, but I've seen worse.

If you spent half an hour or more every day trying to strain spammers out of the ever increasing number of requests for membership here (currently 31 requests are pending review), you would probably think I didn't go far enough.

I do apologize to anyone I offended.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by CalBear

If you spent half an hour or more every day trying to strain spammers out of the ever increasing number of requests for membership here (currently 31 requests are pending review), you would probably think I didn't go far enough.

Personally, I think it's perfectly okay to trivialize death, and the funnier the better. But I've been involved with quite a bit of it and am jaded.

[CaliBoy1990]

Originally Posted by CalBear

If you spent half an hour or more every day trying to strain spammers out of the ever increasing number of requests for membership here (currently 31 requests are pending review), you would probably think I didn't go far enough.

I do apologize to anyone I offended.

Honestly, Cal, I really don't blame you. TBH, though, I really do think we could try to save the nastier stuff for the really bad offenders(i.e. imagine if a 'Christian Identity' member showed up and had started spewing their bullshit everywhere.), if you don't mind me saying so.

[Darth_Kiryan]

Regardless of your people's reactions to CalBear's ban!action, Let the thread die people, or lock it.

[Doctor Imperialism]

Originally Posted by Adûnakhôr

Regardless of your people's reactions to CalBear's ban!action, Let the thread die people, or lock it.

This.

(Filler)

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Doctor Imperialism

This.

(Filler)

Sounds like a good idea.