Best Possible Peace Scenarios for Israel and the Palestinians

[Tibbar]

What would be the best possible peace deal (for its side) that Israel could have hypothetically gotten at any point past 1990? What is the best possible peace deal that Israel can get today or in the future? Was (or is) it ever possible for Israel to keep all of Jerusalem under its control in any final peace deal? If I recall correctly, didn't the Beilin-Mazen Agreement of 1995 allow Israel to keep all of Jerusalem in a final peace treaty? Or am I mistaken?

Likewise, what would be the best possible peace deal (for their side) that the Palestinians could have hypothetically gotten at any point past 1990? Also, what is the best possible peace deal that the Palestinians can get today or in the future?

[Tibbar]

Anyone? I'm really interested in this scenario.

[Cook]

Generally speaking, give a thread 24 hours for people to have a chance to look at it before bumping it up again.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by Cook

Generally speaking, give a thread 24 hours for people to have a chance to look at it before bumping it up again.

OK. Sorry.

[AStanley]

I think the best case Israeli Peace settlement is Israel getting Greater Jerusalem and Area C of the West Bank, in addition to what they already have.

I think the Palestinian best case is all of West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel I think would not give up Jerusalem unless someone took it from them.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by AStanley

I think the best case Israeli Peace settlement is Israel getting Greater Jerusalem and Area C of the West Bank, in addition to what they already have.

I think the Palestinian best case is all of West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel I think would not give up Jerusalem unless someone took it from them.

There's no way that the Palestinians would agree to permanently give Israel Area C of the West Bank. In regards to the Palestinians, I think their best-case scenario would have been something along the lines of Ehud Olmert's 2008 offer, with perhaps a little more territory for them.

For the record, I was talking about final peace deals that both sides would agree on.

[The Ubbergeek]

Jerusalem shouldN'T belong to ONE of them only, for sure. Eitheir they split it, or it get a neutral status, Tel-Aviv and Ramalah being it for the respective states.

[AStanley]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

There's no way that the Palestinians would agree to permanently give Israel Area C of the West Bank. In regards to the Palestinians, I think their best-case scenario would have been something along the lines of Ehud Olmert's 2008 offer, with perhaps a little more territory for them.

For the record, I was talking about final peace deals that both sides would agree on.

Well if Israel takes Area C, its Jewish Population increases, and its not like the Palestinians are going to stop them...

[Meerkat92]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

There's no way that the Palestinians would agree to permanently give Israel Area C of the West Bank. In regards to the Palestinians, I think their best-case scenario would have been something along the lines of Ehud Olmert's 2008 offer, with perhaps a little more territory for them.

For the record, I was talking about final peace deals that both sides would agree on.

It's impossible for either side to come to a permanent agreement. Israel needs to keep fighting because it fears that its neighbors would like nothing better than to wipe it out of existence, and Palestine needs to keep the anti-Israel pot boiling to keep its people distraced from how shittily they're treated. The most I think you could hope for is a status quo type of cease-fire that lasts for a couple decades.

Seriously, fuck the Levant.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by AStanley

Well if Israel takes Area C, its Jewish Population increases, and its not like the Palestinians are going to stop them...

If Israel annexes Area C, the international community will hit them with unbearable sanctions that Israel can't afford. Israel's relations with many countries today in real life are not the best. The last thing it needs is to have its international relations deteriorate much further. And the Jewish population in Area C isn't that large, and most of it is located in small tightly populated areas which can easily be annexed to Israel in a final peace treaty.

[The Ubbergeek]

Originally Posted by Meerkat92

It's impossible for either side to come to a permanent agreement. Israel needs to keep fighting because it fears that its neighbors would like nothing better than to wipe it out of existence, and Palestine needs to keep the anti-Israel pot boiling to keep its people distraced from how shittily they're treated. The most I think you could hope for is a status quo type of cease-fire that lasts for a couple decades.

Seriously, fuck the Levant.

Let us not exagerate. If things went different, like USA speaking down Israeli leaders as well and being really neutral at key parts or such, things could have went differently.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by Meerkat92

It's impossible for either side to come to a permanent agreement. Israel needs to keep fighting because it fears that its neighbors would like nothing better than to wipe it out of existence, and Palestine needs to keep the anti-Israel pot boiling to keep its people distraced from how shittily they're treated. The most I think you could hope for is a status quo type of cease-fire that lasts for a couple decades.

Seriously, fuck the Levant.

Actually, all Arab and Muslim states said that they will recognize Israel once it reaches a final peace deal with the Palestinians and Syria. As for the Palestinians, if reformist politicians (like Salam Fayyad) who genuinely want to improve their people's lives and economy come to power, then they would be very willing to compromise on and sign a final peace deal with Israel.

[AStanley]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

If Israel annexes Area C, the international community will hit them with unbearable sanctions that Israel can't afford. Israel's relations with many countries today in real life are not the best. The last thing it needs is to have its international relations deteriorate much further. And the Jewish population in Area C isn't that large, and most of it is located in small tightly populated areas which can easily be annexed to Israel in a final peace treaty.

The United States wont hit them with a sanction (If a Republican is President they may support annexing Area C)

Also 300,000 isn't small to a nation of 8 million.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by AStanley

The United States wont hit them with a sanction (If a Republican is President they may support annexing Area C)

Also 300,000 isn't small to a nation of 8 million.

Even the GOP isn't that stupid and reckless. Heck, even George W. Bush supported diving Jerusalem and sticking to the Clinton peace plan of 2000. Plus, Europe and Asia will certainly hit Israel with severe, crippling sanctions.

[Meerkat92]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

Actually, all Arab and Muslim states said that they will recognize Israel once it reaches a final peace deal with the Palestinians and Syria. As for the Palestinians, if reformist politicians (like Salam Fayyad) who genuinely want to improve their people's lives and economy come to power, then they would be very willing to compromise on and sign a final peace deal with Israel.

I'm sure you'll understand if I'm a bit cynical of what type of "final" peace deal the Palestinians would find acceptable. Not to mention if Israel would ever agree to it.

[AStanley]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

Even the GOP isn't that stupid and reckless. Heck, even George W. Bush supported diving Jerusalem and sticking to the Clinton peace plan of 2000. Plus, Europe and Asia will certainly hit Israel with severe, crippling sanctions.

Why would they hit it with Sanctions though? All Israel has done is annex a piece of land that contains almost no Palestinians, and already is administrated by them?

Western Europe doesn't recognize the state of Palestine so I don't think they would unleash sanctions.

[Tibbar]

Originally Posted by AStanley

Why would they hit it with Sanctions though? All Israel has done is annex a piece of land that contains almost no Palestinians, and already is administrated by them?

Western Europe doesn't recognize the state of Palestine so I don't think they would unleash sanctions.

Western Europe considers the overwhelming majority (90+%) of the West Bank to be the territory of a future Palestinian state. Heck, it doesn't even recognize Israel's claim to all of Jerusalem.

[AStanley]

Originally Posted by Tibbar

Western Europe considers the overwhelming majority (90+%) of the West Bank to be the territory of a future Palestinian state. Heck, it doesn't even recognize Israel's claim to all of Jerusalem.

I still don't see why they would break economic ties though, Sanctions hurt both sides, and Israel will still be able to trade with America, so its not like they are going to starve to death or anything.

[The Ubbergeek]

Originally Posted by Meerkat92

I'm sure you'll understand if I'm a bit cynical of what type of "final" peace deal the Palestinians would find acceptable. Not to mention if Israel would ever agree to it.

Because Palestinians = wrong, Israelis = right, and like palestinians actually want 'deaths to all israelis'.

[Wolfpaw]

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