Abdul Hadi Pasha said:The death toll of Stalin's regime might have been higher, but it was a longer period of time, and Hitler killed a greater number BY INTENT. Most of Stalin's deaths were regrettable side effects of necessary de-bourgeoisification.
I voted for Josef Stalin. But truth be told it's a bit of a toss up between him and Adolf Hitler and Mao Zedong.ConfederateFly said:Which Dictator/Communist Leader was the most Brutal and tell why?
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:The death toll of Stalin's regime might have been higher, but it was a longer period of time, and Hitler killed a greater number BY INTENT. Most of Stalin's deaths were regrettable side effects of necessary de-bourgeoisification.
Matt Quinn said:"necessary de-bourgeoisification"
Necessary?
robertp6165 said:Stalin's starvation of the Ukraine (where the majority of his twenty-odd million murder victims died), the millions who "disappeared," were shot in the back of the head by the NKVD and dumped in mass graves in the forests, and the millions who were sent to be worked to death in the gulags were all intentional. They were not "regrettable side-effects." Maybe he didn't herd people into gas chambers and ovens (he starved them or shot them in the back of the head instead), but they ended up just as dead.
robertp6165 said:Stalin's starvation of the Ukraine (where the majority of his twenty-odd million murder victims died), the millions who "disappeared," were shot in the back of the head by the NKVD and dumped in mass graves in the forests, and the millions who were sent to be worked to death in the gulags were all intentional. They were not "regrettable side-effects." Maybe he didn't herd people into gas chambers and ovens (he starved them or shot them in the back of the head instead), but they ended up just as dead.
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:Collectivization is the most basic aim of communism, and the entire Soviet Union was collectivized, not just the Ukraine, which suffered the most only because it was the most heavily agricultural. I don't see how its possible to claim it was a deliberate attempt to kill Ukrainians, nor do I see why Stalin should wish to kill off the Ukrainians, since the population decline disrupted the economy and put his regime at risk. I don't see why everyone has to see a genocidal motive behind everything anyone does that causes deaths. Communism is a bad idea, it didn't work, and contrary to expectation, collectivization drastically reduced agricultural productivity rather than raising it.
robertp6165 said:Fortunately, not everyone is an apologist for communist dictators. See the following link and it will explain how and why Stalin murdered the Ukrainians by starvation. They siezed the grain, put it in guarded silos, and let it sit there...intentionally...while the peasants starved.
http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/
and another one...
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/soviet.exhibit/famine.html
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:You found it on the internet so it must be true. Thanks for being civil, BTW.
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:I don't see how it is supportable to say that Stalin intentionally starved the Ukraine. The entire Soviet Union was collectivized, the Ukraine was just hardest hit because it was the most agricultural. There is no evidence that Stalin's aim was to cause millions of deaths, it was just carrying out the most basic aim of communism.