Crecy 1346 and Agincourt 1415 PODs

How would hist have been affected had the French knights at Crecy and Agincourt, instead of obstinately charging against the outnumbered English in a headlong disorganised manner, actually planned their battle strategy and tactics more carefully, and somehow defeated Edward III and/or Henry V ? Could that have been possible, despite the power of the English longbowmen ?
 
Melvin Loh said:
How would hist have been affected had the French knights at Crecy and Agincourt, instead of obstinately charging against the outnumbered English in a headlong disorganised manner, actually planned their battle strategy and tactics more carefully, and somehow defeated Edward III and/or Henry V ? Could that have been possible, despite the power of the English longbowmen ?

it wasnt the longbowmen who defeated the french at Agincourt, it was the ground. The arrows the longbowmen fired couldnt break the armor according the discoverys battlefields scientists. It had rained and the ground was so muddy that the heavy armored nights got stuck and was easy prey for the english bowmen without armor. To have another tactic you would need another social system during that time since the nights wouldnt fight inferior people like bowmen. Also they thought it more important to get valuble prisoners for ransom than killing many people
 
If the weather had been dryer the French wouldn't have had problems with the muddy conditions. Another POD is if not enough Welsh bowmen were serving with English forces.
 
At Agincourt the French leaders had it well planned however the French knights seeing how they outnumbered the total English force (most of which was commoners) were too eager for personal glory and charged in.
The longbow was majorly responsible, it didn't so much kill the knights but mostly their horses which along with the muddy ground created a big crush.
 
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