Grabbag: Wipe out nations

tom · Feb 18, 2004

Here's a chance to destroy your least favorite nation!
You can have the people scattered to the four corners of the world (Israel for a couple millennia), divided into a bazillion (more than three) fragments (Germany for some centuries), divided up between several neighbors (like Poland was), or even exterminated! Date of condition is 2004, the rest of the world must be in reasonably good shape (whatever it looks like) and the PoD must be as late as plausible.
1) Spain
2) France
3) Germany
4) America
5) Brazil
6) Argentina
7) Mexico
8) Canada
9) Italy
10) Russia
11) India
12) China
13) UK
14) Australia
15) Iran
16) Saudi Arabia
17) Iraq
18) Mongolia
19) Sudan
20) Any one you want!

Abdul Hadi Pasha · Feb 18, 2004

tom said:
Here's a chance to destroy your least favorite nation!
You can have the people scattered to the four corners of the world (Israel for a couple millennia), divided into a bazillion (more than three) fragments (Germany for some centuries), divided up between several neighbors (like Poland was), or even exterminated! Date of condition is 2004, the rest of the world must be in reasonably good shape (whatever it looks like) and the PoD must be as late as plausible.

Well, I probably don't even need to post this since everyone knows what I'm thinking, but here it goes:

POD 1914. The Ottomans stay out of WWI. Russia collapses into revolution, and the Ottomans intervene in the Caucasus to stop massacres of Muslims, and reach Baku in Summer 1918. Ottoman support allows Russian Turkestan to achieve independence. 2004 countries eliminated:

Turkey
Syria
Iraq
Jordan
Israel
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Kazakhstan
Turkmenistan
Kirgizistan
Uzbekistan
Tajikistan

How's that?

Susano · Feb 18, 2004

Tom talked of nations, not countries, though. Its always easy to shift borders. Although of coruse in this case he shouldnt speak of Saudi Arabia or Iraq... since its only one arab nation.

Abdul Hadi Pasha · Feb 18, 2004

Susano said:
Tom talked of nations, not countries, though. Its always easy to shift borders. Although of coruse in this case he shouldnt speak of Saudi Arabia or Iraq... since its only one arab nation.

He said "nation", not "ethnicity". The latter would be an inexcusable discussion topic.

Mike Collins · Feb 18, 2004

Oh, this is fun!

Chiang Kai Shek's Kuomintang Army defeats Mao's Communists in the late 1940s. He subsequently initiates the agraian reforms done in Taiwan OTL which irreversably undercuts any residual support the Communists have.

Nations eliminated:

Democratic Republic of Vietnam
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China

Nations saved:

Republic of Vietnam (Gains independence from France in 1964 and lead to peace and prosperity by President Ngo Dinh Diem).

Susano · Feb 18, 2004

Id define nation as ethnicity... anyways, where else would be the fun in it? Countries are "destroyed" in every TL.

David Howery · Feb 18, 2004

I'd get rid of Canada and join it to the US... America from sea to sea and from the Rio Grande to the Arctic Ocean.. woo hoo!

G.Bone · Feb 18, 2004

Let's see...

A UK that keeps both the Low Countries as well as Northern Germany, with the rest belonging to Austrian/Hungarian Empire

An Argentina and Chile that is taken over by the Brits, and slowly merges into one nation that also absorbs Urguay, Paraguay, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, and bits of Southern Brazil

A Mexico that has nearly all of the Latin American nations with the exception of Belieze

An Australia/New Zealand Commonwealth that holds Indonesia and PNG as it's "Outer Territories"

MerryPrankster · Feb 18, 2004

G.Bone,

Mexico originally included several other Central American states in something of a federation, but they all succeeded. Assuming that "Greater Mexico" can stay together, that would eliminate several Latin American states.

Xen · Feb 18, 2004

Hmmm Colombia would still exist, but it would be larger including Venezuela and Ecuador

The Kingdom of Hawaii comes back into existence

An African Confederation made up of Sub-Sahara Africa, has first world standards of living and industrial capability. Perhaps being a mirror of the EU or US. A stable democracy, and near Superpower (not quite as strong as the US, but more like China where it has the potential). Ill call it the Confederate States of Africa.

KJM · Feb 18, 2004

An asteroid gets just a little too close to Earth. It lands on Mexico and levels a large portion of it. The rest either breaks away or is taken over by other countries.

Chris Oakley · Mar 13, 2004

tom said:
Here's a chance to destroy your least favorite nation!
You can have the people scattered to the four corners of the world (Israel for a couple millennia), divided into a bazillion (more than three) fragments (Germany for some centuries), divided up between several neighbors (like Poland was), or even exterminated! Date of condition is 2004, the rest of the world must be in reasonably good shape (whatever it looks like) and the PoD must be as late as plausible.
1) Spain
2) France
3) Germany
4) America
5) Brazil
6) Argentina
7) Mexico
8) Canada
9) Italy
10) Russia
11) India
12) China
13) UK
14) Australia
15) Iran
16) Saudi Arabia
17) Iraq
18) Mongolia
19) Sudan
20) Any one you want!

North Korea
POD:1951
China leaves Kim Il Sung high and dry as MacArthur's troops come pouring across the DMZ

easants revolt,overthrow the Marxist creeps in Pyongyang and peacefully reunite with their brethren in the south.The Unified Republic of Korea(UKOR) is established a year later and by 2004 is one of Asia's major economic superpowers.

Libya
POD:1982
Reagan decides it's time for a regime change in Tripoli and sends in the Marines.Egypt,seizing the opportunity to take out a long-standing regional adversary once and for all,sends its own troops in to support the American assault.After six weeks,Khadafy's regime collapses like a punctured balloon and its creator flees to exile in Syria.The Libya of 2004 is governed by a coalition of secular and Islamic leaders and is negotiating a NATO-like mutual defense pact with Algeria,Egypt,and (ironically enough) Israel.

cow defender · Mar 13, 2004

POD: 2133 America in the Second War of the Revolving Door is backstabbed by Gran Colombia (a federation of most Spanish Spking Latin American nations) and invaded after a fierce fight involving the largest armies and battles this world has ever seen America is conquered. All non colored citizens are detained and eventually deported to Canada, Australia, Brazil and the Moon. Hated by most of the world, Americans are constantly on the move from fear of programs and Final Solution type scenarios. The safest place for these democratic gypsies is the great expanse of space. Many of the first colonies on the planets Bear, Vusa, Smiley, and Hell were founded by Americans.

Raymann · Mar 13, 2004

France is wiped off the face of the Earth! Doesn't matter how or when just that it happens.

tom · Mar 13, 2004

Cow Defender:
This is AH, not FH. So the PoD has to be in the past.

cow defender · Mar 13, 2004

tom said:
Cow Defender:
This is AH, not FH. So the PoD has to be in the past.

does it really matter that much to you. does anyone else here care?

tom · Mar 13, 2004

does it really matter that much to you. does anyone else here care?

If you are going to be posting on a forum, you are supposed to follow the rules. The Chat section is for non-AH topics. If you care enough to bother posting something, do it right.

G.Bone · Mar 13, 2004

In Response to Matt Quinn

Actually Belieze was British. The Greater Mexico that I was thinking of stretches from the Rio Grande to Venezuela, Columbia, the Guyanas, and Peru.

Chris Oakley · Mar 20, 2004

What about Bermuda?

mattep74 · Mar 20, 2004

POD 9/11 2003. Anna Lindh isnt Killed by Mihalo Mihalovich and in the final debates manages to help the Yes to the EMU win by a few hundred votes

2004. New EU constitution, North Corea attacks South Corea, USA sends troops. North Corea tries to nuke Tokyo, the missile misses and detonates 100km south of Tokyo. China attacks North Corea and in september the war torn north is split between China and South Corea

1/1 2005. Corean Nation formed.

2006. All Countries in EU vote yes to even closer ties, more countries join

2008: during the summer olympics the cries for democratic reforms are heard in China and the cries becomes louder and louder and on 9/11 the communist party falls and 11/11 new elections are held. Taiwan declares its independence on christmas eve. China gives Tibet its independence

2009. Israel is admitted into the EU, but first it has to give the palestines their own state. Israel accepts and Gaza and a small strip on the river of jordan is Palestine
2010. EU becomes the United States of Europe

UK, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Germany, Austria, Italy, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Check republic, Slovenia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Malta, Slovenia, Kroatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Israel, Palestine gone, all in a peacefull way

North and South Corea is just Corea

China as we know it is gone