Here is a Challenge:
I'm writing a story concerning an ATL where both Argentina and Chile are both first world nations and British Dominons. However, I am not the greatest genius when it comes to South American History. I was wondering if there would be anyone on the board that could help me with this task. The following is what I have so far:
Note: (it's from a posting from the Mosaic Earth TL, where Falkland Islands was a representative from this world)
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Basically the world that the Falklands came from is a world where both Argentina and Chile are first world nations. However this status is constantly put in trouble due to seperatist groups that operate on the principal that much of the first world status has 'whitened' their native culture. This division has led to a series of really nasty 'wars' between these two factions that has only worsened due to US involvement with these rebel groups. (The US is heavily interested in destabilizing the power that much of the South American nations have that has (unfortunately) led to a 'loss of face' for the US on a world stage.) As a result of this American influence, the Southern Confederation of Federated Republics were formed. [Over the years the last two words have been dropped and everyone refers to it as the SCF.]
There is also the fact that much of Argentina became a home for many Germans during a war that both Prussia and the Austrian-Hungarian Empire had over who was to play the part of the uniter of the German states. This flood of German ingenuity helped Argentina to propel it's advancement into first world status as well helping it's 'big brother' [The British Empire*] in several world events that occured after that war ended. Chile entered the picture as another place in which more European immigration could go to.
As for the other nations of South America....
a) Paraguay and Bolivia ended up as breakaway providences of the Brazilizan Empire mainly because they wanted to jump into the booming success that Argentina had during the early 1900's. This sort of dragged Brazil into the picture mainly because they did not want a very advanced Argentina on their borders. Sadly this resulted in the First Brazilian War (1912-16) whereas Argentina and it's ally Chile managed to gain large territories from both Brazil/Peru with Brazil soon falling under the idea of:
"Stupid Argentinians. Puppets of Britain. We must build more troops to kick their a**'s and get back our land!". This vengeful attitude lead to more wars with Argentina, and Brazil soon became a morass of miltary factions vying for vengence every time they get beaten, and a democratic faction vying for equal rights for everyone, etc.
b) Peru sort of became the S. American version of Sweden due to it's humbling experience during the First Brazilian War. It latter merged with Chile in order to prevent Brazilian military guerillas from sneaking past their border, pass through Chile, and attack Argentina.
c) Ecordor (Sp?) became part of Peru in the 1976 due to a military dictatorship taking over and declaring war on Peru for being an ally of Chile. [They weren't very successfull]
d) Columbia is sort of the stepping ground for America due the same reasons in OTL. The only difference is that there are alot more troops in Columbia because the US doesn't like the SCF being that close to them.
e) Venezula is slowly becoming like Columbia due to spillover effects of the on-going civil war. The US is providing "protection" from Brazilian army factions who have not been in Venezula for quite some time now.
f) French Guyana, Suriname, and Guyana have formally merged to become the Guyana Federated State. Fr. Guyana got it's indepence during WW2 when France got invaded by the Germanic Empire. Suriname got it's indepence around 1979. Guyana got it's indepence in 1978. The GFS was formed in 1980 or so, and it is part of the SCF. [which the US hates]
g) Guatemala, El Salvador, Hondouras, Costa Rica escaped their fates as a US satillite in the 1960's with the Chile(*2) ending "peacekeepers" to prevent any US involvement there. They became SCF members five years later due the terrific performance by Ambassador Luis Santiago's speech to the UN on April 8th, 1974 that essentially was how the US 'lost face'.
h) Belieze is part of the GFS on part of necessarity, etc.
i) The rest of the Latin American countries that I have not named are US satillites.
j) the Caribbean is like our Carribean only that Cuba, Hati, the Dominican Rep., Puerto Rico are US states.
as for Europe, well....
let's just say that they did not have such a prolonged period of 'Cold War' between the USSR and the US because of:
a) more UK involvement over the matter over the German Problem
b) the Soviet system adapting and becoming more democratic due to certain parties merging their ideas so that they could get more power
c) other long and tedious things that can mire this thread into more history that you do not want to read about.
Notes:
*- The British Empire did get involved with South America during the Napoleonic Era because....of Spain utterly collapsing from the effects of a nastier Napoleonic War. (It also helps that Britain by this time has both the Low Countries and holding bits of Germany at the time)
*2- Argentina by that time was dealing with it's own crisis with a certain prominent politician by the name of Pinochet (hmm....) going over to a seperatist faction and giving them information about Argentinian defenses Ergo, Chile becoming the more active participant in foreign matters.
*3- Hence the "Rosario Line" where seperatist factions ran free in N. Argentina and was finally squashed in 1985/6/7
*4- Chile had less of a problem because of better intelligence services, better uses of tanks & helicopters, etc. The reason that
Sara Ann Isabel de Tolores*5 says about "the usual routine" is that sometimes Argentina 'borrows' Chilean forces to help 'clean' other areas that Brazilian armed factions are infesting at.
I'm writing a story concerning an ATL where both Argentina and Chile are both first world nations and British Dominons. However, I am not the greatest genius when it comes to South American History. I was wondering if there would be anyone on the board that could help me with this task. The following is what I have so far:
Note: (it's from a posting from the Mosaic Earth TL, where Falkland Islands was a representative from this world)
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Basically the world that the Falklands came from is a world where both Argentina and Chile are first world nations. However this status is constantly put in trouble due to seperatist groups that operate on the principal that much of the first world status has 'whitened' their native culture. This division has led to a series of really nasty 'wars' between these two factions that has only worsened due to US involvement with these rebel groups. (The US is heavily interested in destabilizing the power that much of the South American nations have that has (unfortunately) led to a 'loss of face' for the US on a world stage.) As a result of this American influence, the Southern Confederation of Federated Republics were formed. [Over the years the last two words have been dropped and everyone refers to it as the SCF.]
There is also the fact that much of Argentina became a home for many Germans during a war that both Prussia and the Austrian-Hungarian Empire had over who was to play the part of the uniter of the German states. This flood of German ingenuity helped Argentina to propel it's advancement into first world status as well helping it's 'big brother' [The British Empire*] in several world events that occured after that war ended. Chile entered the picture as another place in which more European immigration could go to.
As for the other nations of South America....
a) Paraguay and Bolivia ended up as breakaway providences of the Brazilizan Empire mainly because they wanted to jump into the booming success that Argentina had during the early 1900's. This sort of dragged Brazil into the picture mainly because they did not want a very advanced Argentina on their borders. Sadly this resulted in the First Brazilian War (1912-16) whereas Argentina and it's ally Chile managed to gain large territories from both Brazil/Peru with Brazil soon falling under the idea of:
"Stupid Argentinians. Puppets of Britain. We must build more troops to kick their a**'s and get back our land!". This vengeful attitude lead to more wars with Argentina, and Brazil soon became a morass of miltary factions vying for vengence every time they get beaten, and a democratic faction vying for equal rights for everyone, etc.
b) Peru sort of became the S. American version of Sweden due to it's humbling experience during the First Brazilian War. It latter merged with Chile in order to prevent Brazilian military guerillas from sneaking past their border, pass through Chile, and attack Argentina.
c) Ecordor (Sp?) became part of Peru in the 1976 due to a military dictatorship taking over and declaring war on Peru for being an ally of Chile. [They weren't very successfull]
d) Columbia is sort of the stepping ground for America due the same reasons in OTL. The only difference is that there are alot more troops in Columbia because the US doesn't like the SCF being that close to them.
e) Venezula is slowly becoming like Columbia due to spillover effects of the on-going civil war. The US is providing "protection" from Brazilian army factions who have not been in Venezula for quite some time now.
f) French Guyana, Suriname, and Guyana have formally merged to become the Guyana Federated State. Fr. Guyana got it's indepence during WW2 when France got invaded by the Germanic Empire. Suriname got it's indepence around 1979. Guyana got it's indepence in 1978. The GFS was formed in 1980 or so, and it is part of the SCF. [which the US hates]
g) Guatemala, El Salvador, Hondouras, Costa Rica escaped their fates as a US satillite in the 1960's with the Chile(*2) ending "peacekeepers" to prevent any US involvement there. They became SCF members five years later due the terrific performance by Ambassador Luis Santiago's speech to the UN on April 8th, 1974 that essentially was how the US 'lost face'.
h) Belieze is part of the GFS on part of necessarity, etc.
i) The rest of the Latin American countries that I have not named are US satillites.
j) the Caribbean is like our Carribean only that Cuba, Hati, the Dominican Rep., Puerto Rico are US states.
as for Europe, well....
let's just say that they did not have such a prolonged period of 'Cold War' between the USSR and the US because of:
a) more UK involvement over the matter over the German Problem
b) the Soviet system adapting and becoming more democratic due to certain parties merging their ideas so that they could get more power
c) other long and tedious things that can mire this thread into more history that you do not want to read about.
Notes:
*- The British Empire did get involved with South America during the Napoleonic Era because....of Spain utterly collapsing from the effects of a nastier Napoleonic War. (It also helps that Britain by this time has both the Low Countries and holding bits of Germany at the time)
*2- Argentina by that time was dealing with it's own crisis with a certain prominent politician by the name of Pinochet (hmm....) going over to a seperatist faction and giving them information about Argentinian defenses Ergo, Chile becoming the more active participant in foreign matters.
*3- Hence the "Rosario Line" where seperatist factions ran free in N. Argentina and was finally squashed in 1985/6/7
*4- Chile had less of a problem because of better intelligence services, better uses of tanks & helicopters, etc. The reason that
Sara Ann Isabel de Tolores*5 says about "the usual routine" is that sometimes Argentina 'borrows' Chilean forces to help 'clean' other areas that Brazilian armed factions are infesting at.