WI: US and Spain went to war in 1794

What happens if the United States and Spain went to war against each other in 1794 over the disputed border between Spanish Florida and the American Old Southwest and the closing of New Orleans to Americans?
 
1794

The US will win, because Spain has other problems and Adams was building up the army.

But if its 1800 even though the American army was shit then. Spain would lose because of the British navy.
 

Redhand

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Washington doesn't seem to be the type who would get belligerent about Florida and he knew a war, successful or not, wasnt an option for the US at the time. Wars cost money, and the US didnt really have any. Besides, 1794 coincides with the Whiskey Rebellion, taking it off of the table. If it was to break out, I'm sure that much like with Andrew Jackson's later provocations, Spain would go for the diplomatic solution.
 
Adams wasn't president yet as of 1794.

That even worse cause Washinton is president

Washington doesn't seem to be the type who would get belligerent about Florida and he knew a war, successful or not, wasnt an option for the US at the time. Wars cost money, and the US didnt really have any. Besides, 1794 coincides with the Whiskey Rebellion, taking it off of the table. If it was to break out, I'm sure that much like with Andrew Jackson's later provocations, Spain would go for the diplomatic solution.

Washington was against more wars (except for Indians). He also held respect for Spain and France nations that had helped America win its independence. Not to mention he owes both of them money
 
1794

The US will win, because Spain has other problems and Adams was building up the army.

But if its 1800 even though the American army was shit then. Spain would lose because of the British navy.

Too much USA bias. This ain't 1890s. America will lose vs Spain. Spain still got Spanish American manpower and resources which is leaps and bounds ahead manpower British Canada can support vs USA.

America doesn't have the economy or the navy to fight a war just right after fighting the British.

Otl Florida never left Spanish hands until the Spanish American war hit which was decades after the pod 1794.
 
What happens if the United States and Spain went to war against each other in 1794 over the disputed border between Spanish Florida and the American Old Southwest and the closing of New Orleans to Americans?

In 1794 the United States Army, such as it was, was completely tied up with an Indian war in the Northwest Territory. The country was completely unprepared for war with a European power. Not a good idea.
 
Otl Florida never left Spanish hands until the Spanish American war hit which was decades after the pod 1794.

The Spanish-American War was fought in 1898. Florida was peacefully ceded by Spain to The United States in 1819. Well, more or less peacefully, in that Spain and the United States never broke off diplomatic relations, and there was no shooting hostilities between the two nations. But the conduct of the United States left something to be desired, what with Andrew Jackson leading military expeditions into Spanish territory in Florida, and less than subtle threats being uttered against Spain. But the peace held, for what that's worth.
 
And watch as American currency becomes worthless overnight.

Oddly enough in 1794 much of the money circulating in the US would have been Spanish currency rather than American. American currency wasn't worth much anyway. It would probably collapse the First Bank but to be honest US finances were a disaster anyway.
 

Anaxagoras

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Oddly enough in 1794 much of the money circulating in the US would have been Spanish currency rather than American. American currency wasn't worth much anyway. It would probably collapse the First Bank but to be honest US finances were a disaster anyway.

I phrased it badly. The point I was trying to make is that America's credit-worthiness would be utterly ruined. No English or Dutch banker in his right mind would lend a penny to America if they did such a thing. The consequences would have been very bad.
 
Too much USA bias. This ain't 1890s. America will lose vs Spain. Spain still got Spanish American manpower and resources which is leaps and bounds ahead manpower British Canada can support vs USA.

America doesn't have the economy or the navy to fight a war just right after fighting the British.

Otl Florida never left Spanish hands until the Spanish American war hit which was decades after the pod 1794.

The problem is France, right now Spain has bigger problems. So any counter attack would be slow coming from Mexico City. Spain would win any naval encounter

But earlier I forgot to take into account the economy. The US economy would crash fast. That's how Spain would win.

If you want a nice quick and easy Spanish victory move up the war. If you can keep Galvez alive even better. Galvez would beat the Americans and it is likely that Britain would go to war with the US aswell. The US economy would collapse and the US would probably make economic concessions to Spain. Then the US would focus on the GBR.

The Spanish-American War was fought in 1898. Florida was peacefully ceded by Spain to The United States in 1819. Well, more or less peacefully, in that Spain and the United States never broke off diplomatic relations, and there was no shooting hostilities between the two nations. But the conduct of the United States left something to be desired, what with Andrew Jackson leading military expeditions into Spanish territory in Florida, and less than subtle threats being uttered against Spain. But the peace held, for what that's worth.

Actually there was shooting hostilities. Jackson attacked several Spanish forts. Spain just needed the cash and was too busy with South America to deal with the US not to mention Britain refused to help Spain
 
I phrased it badly. The point I was trying to make is that America's credit-worthiness would be utterly ruined. No English or Dutch banker in his right mind would lend a penny to America if they did such a thing. The consequences would have been very bad.

exactly, no louisiana purchase for one.
 
Actually there was shooting hostilities. Jackson attacked several Spanish forts. Spain just needed the cash and was too busy with South America to deal with the US not to mention Britain refused to help Spain

Interesting. I had thought the Spanish just didn't bother putting up any resistance when Jackson seized the forts. I stand corrected. :)
 
Without help from Britain? The USA loses, and loses hard. This isn't 1898.

At this time Britain still is considering retaking the colonies. We could see Britain join the Spanish side.

The American economy will crash and then the Spanish will offer peace in return for the US paying small reparations. Because Spain is more worried about the War of the Pyrennes.

If the Spanish can hold the line in the Pyrennes then you could see a more dedicated effort against the US>
 
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