Southern Victory, but CSA and USA both breakup

This is the typical 'Southern Victory' in that the Confederacy was able to defeat the Union and won it's independence. The real POD comes afterward when the Confederacy is confronted with how weak it's federal government really is in peacetime. As a result the interest of it's individual states diverge and the CSA breaks down.

At the same time due to it's defeat and secession being de facto recognized as a right of the states, the western territories and states, lead by California become the first to break with the Union, forming a brief confederation that agrees to a couple further splits. This proves to be the beginning of the end of United States as one by one, the different remaining regions break away.

What happens after that?
 
This is the typical 'Southern Victory' in that the Confederacy was able to defeat the Union and won it's independence. The real POD comes afterward when the Confederacy is confronted with how weak it's federal government really is in peacetime. As a result the interest of it's individual states diverge and the CSA breaks down.

At the same time due to it's defeat and secession being de facto recognized as a right of the states, the western territories and states, lead by California become the first to break with the Union, forming a brief confederation that agrees to a couple further splits. This proves to be the beginning of the end of United States as one by one, the different remaining regions break away.

What happens after that?

Probably a very large number of wars eventually. A number of monarchies or total dictatorships arise.
 
In case anybody's interested, here's a comparison of the US and CS Constitutions:

http://www.jjmccullough.com/CSA.htm

Interestingly enough, the Confederate government had virtually the same powers as the Federal government, so I'm not sure the CSA would actually end up breaking apart as per the OP.

It might have had the same powers but it would also have massive inflation, huge debt, massive infrastructure damage, a need for a large military and escaping slaves. From all that it is likely to be very unstable.
 
In case anybody's interested, here's a comparison of the US and CS Constitutions:

http://www.jjmccullough.com/CSA.htm

Interestingly enough, the Confederate government had virtually the same powers as the Federal government, so I'm not sure the CSA would actually end up breaking apart as per the OP.

Very interesting comparison. One question though, does it explicitly state that states cannot outlaw slavery or just that then Confederate government can't?
 

Anaxagoras

Banned
Interestingly enough, the Confederate government had virtually the same powers as the Federal government, so I'm not sure the CSA would actually end up breaking apart as per the OP.

Since the CS Constitution says nothing differently than the US Constitution on the matter of secession, the very establishment of the Confederacy would represent a legal precedent allowing a state to secede whenever it wanted to do so.
 
Since the CS Constitution says nothing differently than the US Constitution on the matter of secession, the very establishment of the Confederacy would represent a legal precedent allowing a state to secede whenever it wanted to do so.

If the establishment of the US didn't represent such a precedent, I don't see why the establishment of the CS would.
 

jahenders

Banned
I could see it going that way, if the Union does indeed lose.

If so, that would eventually lead to wars on one front or the other.

However, I could also see things evolving somewhat differently. The US recovers relatively quickly and, perhaps, passes an amendment more specific on (limiting) succession.
But CSA is very slow to recover and has lots of issues. Eventually, one or more states secedes from the CSA, gives up slavery, and petitions the US for re-admission as a state (repudiating slavery and their predecessors who foolishly seceded). If that occurs, most of the states in the CSA might eventually do so, especially if the US expands west faster than they do.

This is the typical 'Southern Victory' in that the Confederacy was able to defeat the Union and won it's independence. The real POD comes afterward when the Confederacy is confronted with how weak it's federal government really is in peacetime. As a result the interest of it's individual states diverge and the CSA breaks down.

At the same time due to it's defeat and secession being de facto recognized as a right of the states, the western territories and states, lead by California become the first to break with the Union, forming a brief confederation that agrees to a couple further splits. This proves to be the beginning of the end of United States as one by one, the different remaining regions break away.

What happens after that?
 
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