Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to create a Canada that is hostile to the United States with a POD between 1816-1900
AHC: A Hostile Canada
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Does this require Canada have to still exist today?
This is tough because it gets to a point where provoking the U.S. is basically suicidal for Canada, and I don't know how you change that with a POD so late.
Yes, Canada must still exist today. It could theoretically have less land than it does OTL, but it still has to exist. The reason I chose a POD so late is because the easiest way to make Canada hostile is to do something with the War of 1812. But I didn't want to make it that easy.
Does this require Canada have to still exist today?
This is tough because it gets to a point where provoking the U.S. is basically suicidal for Canada, and I don't know how you change that with a POD so late.
This essentially. There comes a point when if Canada provoked the USA, not even the British Empire could or would save them.
What if Britain comes to Mexico's aid in the Mexican-American war? The US/Canada border was hotly disputed at the time so if GB steps in and then loses I could see a settlement that gives the US much of western Canada excluding Vancouver. With the US in control of the west Canadian settlers are blocked out unless they want to become US citizens. Canada never goes to war with the US again but the relationship is heavily antagonistic as Canada feels that the US robbed them of their land and resources.
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Why? Just for laughs?
Why? Just for laughs? The food? Several million ticked off Catholics?
Britain has large territorial claims in North America after 1815, none of which are particularly well-populated, and all of which are vulnerable, simply on time and distance, to Western Hemisphere powers - and none of those same territories were all that wealthy and willing to provide for their own defense in the Nineteenth Century.
The US and Britain were both wealthy nations and among each other's largest trading partners throughout the Nineteenth Century, despite their shared history. And despite the fevered dreams of lost causers and sun-never-sets types, none of the various alarums and excursions from the 1820s onward were every significant enough to warrant anything approaching actual conflict ... as the fact every single one of the potential conflicts were settled peacefully, much less the volume of trade between the two nations, would tend to confirm...
International politics, even in the Nineteenth Century, tended to be somewhat more complex than "the enemy of my enemy" ... especially when the US and UK were not enemies.
Best,
Why? Just for laughs? The food? Several million ticked off Catholics?
Britain has large territorial claims in North America after 1815, none of which are particularly well-populated, and all of which are vulnerable, simply on time and distance, to Western Hemisphere powers - and none of those same territories were all that wealthy and willing to provide for their own defense in the Nineteenth Century.
The US and Britain were both wealthy nations and among each other's largest trading partners throughout the Nineteenth Century, despite their shared history. And despite the fevered dreams of lost causers and sun-never-sets types, none of the various alarums and excursions from the 1820s onward were every significant enough to warrant anything approaching actual conflict ... as the fact every single one of the potential conflicts were settled peacefully, much less the volume of trade between the two nations, would tend to confirm...
International politics, even in the Nineteenth Century, tended to be somewhat more complex than "the enemy of my enemy" ... especially when the US and UK were not enemies.
Best,
I know but the challenge is particularly difficult. You need to build mutual distrust between the US and Canada and that's a very difficult thing to do without simply destroying Canada. I think a war of 1812 POD is required to build tension and hostility between the US and UK.