Prince Alfred was the second son

LeopoldPhilippe

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Prince Alfred Ernest Albert (1844-1900) was the second son of Queen Victoria.
He ruled as Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
Suppose Alfred is the first son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
In this scenario, Alfred shall be the Prince of Wales. He lives until 1920.
Would he still marry Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia?
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

LeopoldPhilippe said:
Prince Alfred Ernest Albert (1844-1900) was the second son of Queen Victoria.
He ruled as Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
Suppose Alfred is the first son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
In this scenario, Alfred shall be the Prince of Wales. He lives until 1920.
Would he still marry Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia?
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Why does him becoming Prince of Wales give him an extra 20 years?

I cant see why he shouldnt marry her, just because he is prince of wales.
 

LeopoldPhilippe

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Jonathan said:
Would him as uncle to Wilhelm and Nicholas, mean WW1 stays calm until after 1920? Like IOTL?
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With Alfred as King of Great Britain and uncle to Wilhelm II of Germany and Nicholas II of Russia, and the additional fact that Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria and his wife, Countess Sophie are not shot in this scenario, there is no First World War.
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

LeopoldPhilippe said:
With Alfred as King of Great Britain and uncle to Wilhelm II of Germany and Nicholas II of Russia, and the additional fact that Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria and his wife, Countess Sophie are not shot in this scenario, there is no First World War.
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how does King Alfred II stop the austrians getting shot?
 

LeopoldPhilippe

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With Prince Alfred as Prince of Wales and eventually King Alfred II, his only son, Prince Alfred Alexander (born 1874) is being groomed as a future king.
Should King Alfred II's four daughters: Marie, Victoria Melita, Alexandra, and Beatrice still marry their same respective husbands?
 

TheBrunswickian

LeopoldPhilippe said:
On June 28, 1914 Archduke Francis Ferdinand and Countess Sophie are among the foreign royal guests at a Royal Garden Party at Buckingham Palace.
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But that means that Franz and Sophie can just be shot another time.... It doesn't need to be on June 28.

LeopoldPhilippe said:
With Prince Alfred as Prince of Wales and eventually King Alfred II, his only son, Prince Alfred Alexander (born 1874) is being groomed as a future king.
Should King Alfred II's four daughters: Marie, Victoria Melita, Alexandra, and Beatrice still marry their same respective husbands?
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Marie should still marry King Ferdinand of Romania.
Victoria should marry King Haakon of Norway (replace Maud).
Alexandra should marry Carl, Duke of Västergötland (instead of Ingeborg of Denmark)
Beatrice should still marry the Infante Alfonso of Spain
 
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JonasResende

JonasResende

LeopoldPhilippe said:
On June 28, 1914 Archduke Francis Ferdinand and Countess Sophie are among the foreign royal guests at a Royal Garden Party at Buckingham Palace.
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Well, that's AN idea, except foreign courts were awkward on how to receive Sophie. George V and Mary of Teck were of the few monarchs willing to receive them as an equally married couple rather than as per the Austrian tradition of him as heir presumptive and her as way down the line behind every other archduchess/princess at court. That said, FF nearly got killed in a hunting accident IN ENGLAND BEFORE Sarajevo:eek:. Can you imagine the diplomatic fallout between England and Austria if such were to still happen with Europe being the tinderbox it was in 1914?

That said, a bride booted around for Young Affie at the time of his death/suicide (Europe had a lot of depressed young royals, okay) was a cousin of Mary of Teck, Princess Elsa of Württemberg. Although several sources say he secretly married Mabel FitzGerald, granddaughter of the duke of Leinster.
 
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Jonathan

Jonathan

LeopoldPhilippe said:
With Prince Alfred as Prince of Wales and eventually King Alfred II, his only son, Prince Alfred Alexander (born 1874) is being groomed as a future king.
Should King Alfred II's four daughters: Marie, Victoria Melita, Alexandra, and Beatrice still marry their same respective husbands?
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What are their respected personalities and date of birth.
 

Lalli

Well, I don't see that we can avoid WW1 just with that the archduke not be killed in Sarajevo. Hardly closer relationships between royal houses help much.

And small nitpick: Alfred's regnal name would be just Alfred, not Alfred II. Yes, there was anglosaxon king called Alfred the Great but counting begins from William the Conqueror.
 

Welshroyalhistory

LeopoldPhilippe said:
Prince Alfred Ernest Albert (1844-1900) was the second son of Queen Victoria.
He ruled as Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
Suppose Alfred is the first son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
In this scenario, Alfred shall be the Prince of Wales. He lives until 1920.
Would he still marry Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia?
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No. He died if cancer, so you would need him not to develop it, if he is live until 1920.

He would have not married Marie of Russia, he would have probably married Alexandra of Denmark, for the same reasons his brother did.

Alfred was very fond of Alix, to the point that Victoria used to get paranoid that he was in love with her and sent him on a tour of the Empire.
 

Welshroyalhistory

TheBrunswickian said:
But that means that Franz and Sophie can just be shot another time.... It doesn't need to be on June 28.



Marie should still marry King Ferdinand of Romania.
Victoria should marry King Haakon of Norway (replace Maud).
Alexandra should marry Carl, Duke of Västergötland (instead of Ingeborg of Denmark)
Beatrice should still marry the Infante Alfonso of Spain
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Unlikely.

The UK had no need of a Romanian marriage. Marie's marriage was pushed by her Romanov mother to marry because it suited Romanov political ideas and got one over on her husband's British relatives, who wanted Marie to marry the future George V. Most British commentators at the time thought it was positive insanity to send a British Princess, let alone a beautiful one, to a place like Romania!

With Alfred almost certainly marrying Alexandra of Denmark, there would be little pressure on any of the daughters to marry well, if at all.
 

TheBrunswickian

Welshroyalhistory said:
Unlikely.

The UK had no need of a Romanian marriage. Marie's marriage was pushed by her Romanov mother to marry because it suited Romanov political ideas and got one over on her husband's British relatives, who wanted Marie to marry the future George V. Most British commentators at the time thought it was positive insanity to send a British Princess, let alone a beautiful one, to a place like Romania!

With Alfred almost certainly marrying Alexandra of Denmark, there would be little pressure on any of the daughters to marry well, if at all.
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How about the King of Greece, Constantine I? Instead of Sophie of Prussia, Marie's cousin through Crown Princess Victoria of Germany. Then the British can strengthen their ties with Greece, who have the Danish Royals on the throne. If Alfred marries Alexandra of Denmark then Constantine and Marie are first cousins - and that's not odd Prince Henry of Prussia and Irene of Hesse.

If that happens, lets say their children are:
Prince Alexander of Greece and Denmark (future king)
Princess Elisabeth of Greece and Denmark
Princess Maria of Greece and Denmark

Elisabeth can marry King Ferdinand I of Romania's son - probably still Carol. Maria can still marry King Alexander of Yugoslavia.
 

Blurgle

LeopoldPhilippe said:
In reality, Prince Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha predeceased Queen Victoria.
In this scenario, Prince Alfred, Prince of Wales, lives to succeed his mother.
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But why? If he is born the same person at the same time, he's still going to have the same genetic markers and environment that caused him to develop cancer ITTL. If he isn't born the same person at the same time, he's not going to be Prince Alfred but a completely different person named Alfred.
 

TheBrunswickian

Blurgle said:
But why? If he is born the same person at the same time, he's still going to have the same genetic markers and environment that caused him to develop cancer ITTL. If he isn't born the same person at the same time, he's not going to be Prince Alfred but a completely different person named Alfred.
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If you can butterfly away Edward being born first, you can butterfly away Alfred's cancer
 
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